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PsychoMoggieBagpuss said:
Says the guy with the nazi avatar? :D

Zing.

But on a more serious note, despite disagreements on the whole presidential thing with people like Worf and Cat_Fuzz, at least they're intelligent and are good at presenting their opinions and ideas which is very respectable.

Others aren't and are being pretty annoying with the blatant trolling :hmm:
 

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BillyBadAss said:
Apparently you havn't read all the posts in this thread. Some people seemed to think that it's the only reason people were leaving. I clearly stated that I was planning on leaving before, and I gave reasons why. It appears you are suffering from a case of tunnel vision when you read my post.

I have read all the posts.

The whole purpose of this thread (joking or not) was to discuss all the people who claim that they will be moving out of this country because W. was elected to four more years. That is politics.

I know that you said that you were leaving before this election even took place, but you also said that the election was the sealing factor.

As for your reasons, I was just trying to understand how you came to those conclusions. First, you cannot say that the US only thinks of itself. Billions of YOUR tax dollars are going to many, many countries around the world all the time. Second, I assure you that snickering and laughing at others is common in every country around the world. I have seen it. That issue is not exclusive to the US.

Overall, I am just trying to figure out where you are coming from hating the US to the point of leaving.
 

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PsychoMoggieBagpuss said:
No, thats just the kneejerk reaction of people with no faith in their convictions.
If you're not prepared to stay and fight for your convictions then maybe they weren't the right ones in the first place.


You misread my quote (or I presented it poorly). I was agreeing with what Liz said that he would do... stand and fight for his beliefs.

I quoted the "leaving" portion to comment on it further down.
 

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BBA, if you like Japan, hey great. There are a lot of cool things about Japan - and also a lot of not-so-cool things as you'll find by living there for a while.

It's just like it is here - good and bad - and everywhere else.

Hopefully, you like it there.

As far as the country moving too far to the right? Well, I'll argue that point by saying that the Democratic party has moved too far to the left! I don't think that it's the people in general that have changed... just the party leadership.

You moving away does absolutely nothing to help your cause. Sure, coming back to vote is nice, but staying here and doing something about it is a hell of a lot better.
 

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If the extreme right party "vlaams blok" ever becomes part of our government (which most likely won't happen, but still... what if it does.) I'm not sure what I'll do.

I love living in Belgium. Well, it's more a love/hate relationship.
People can be so "cold, arrogant" here. So superficial, shallow. Ego-trippers.
Heh, but it's not all bad.
Trust me, it's not :)

I'm not a cynical, pessimistic person. I do take good notice of what happens around me.. if you know what I mean.
Small country, lots of people.

I sincerily, seriously hope extreme right won't ever become the biggest party of my country.
I fear the day it does...
 

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becoming i said:
I have read all the posts.

The whole purpose of this thread (joking or not) was to discuss all the people who claim that they will be moving out of this country because W. was elected to four more years. That is politics.

I know that you said that you were leaving before this election even took place, but you also said that the election was the sealing factor.

Yeah I had plans to leave before, and I would not leave based on this election by itself, because that would be stupid IMO, but it was one more thing that I didn't like because seems like America falling to the right. I don't hate the USA, I'm just not happy where it is going.

becoming i said:
As for your reasons, I was just trying to understand how you came to those conclusions. First, you cannot say that the US only thinks of itself. Billions of YOUR tax dollars are going to many, many countries around the world all the time. Second, I assure you that snickering and laughing at others is common in every country around the world. I have seen it. That issue is not exclusive to the US.

Overall, I am just trying to figure out where you are coming from hating the US to the point of leaving.

Like I said I don't hate the US, it just doesn't match my ideals in it's current state of things. Therefore, I am going to move because life is short and I should see if I like somewhere else better. Granted all countries have their good stuff and bad stuff, but from my experiences in Japan and from what I've read, the bad in Japan seem to be things I can handle. Thinking more actively about it, it's the citizens treatment of each other on a day to day basis that wears me down. All the political stuff is icing on the cake.

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Forgot to mention that that you were incorrect about Japanese people snickering etc. That kind of behavior is frowned upon there very heavily. They are a very "saving face" society, so this is something that doesn't happen there, and if somebody does act that way, then they are a black sheep and aren't considered the norm.

I don't know your experiences in Japan or if you have ever been there, but if you have, then maybe if you were treated this way, it might have to do with the fact that you are U.S. Military. I know that there they have had many problems with soldiers raping women and young girls in Okinawa. Though I have never been to Okinawa, so I don't know first hand how everyone receives you guys there, but there is a band from there that starts with an M that has wrote songs about it talking about the dream that the miltary leaves Okinawa.
 
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GeneticFreak said:
I agree with tapey. At least worf's posts are fun and not creating unecessary hate or anger :) Some of you republicans should learn. Hate only breeds hate, flames only causes flames.
Anger leads to hate; hate leads to flames; flames lead to suf-fer-ing...
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becoming said:
I know that you said that you were leaving before this election even took place, but you also said that the election was the sealing factor.
The chimp that broke the donkey's back, as it were...
hal said:
As far as the country moving too far to the right? Well, I'll argue that point by saying that the Democratic party has moved too far to the left! I don't think that it's the people in general that have changed... just the party leadership.
Agreed. People are generally tolerant of change, but there comes a point at which the populace just says "no. this is too much." Case in point: Kervorkian is rotting in prison last I heard.
 

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hal said:
As far as the country moving too far to the right? Well, I'll argue that point by saying that the Democratic party has moved too far to the left! I don't think that it's the people in general that have changed... just the party leadership.

You moving away does absolutely nothing to help your cause. Sure, coming back to vote is nice, but staying here and doing something about it is a hell of a lot better.

To be fair I think both parties have moved too far from the center as this election proved. I would like to see them both move closer to the center. 1) because the Democrats would appeal to more on the right and 2) Republicans wouldn't seem too far off the deep end to me and might appearl to me more. More choices is better for all.

Keep in mind as I have mentioned in other threads that my GF is Japanese and if we are to both marry, it would be best if I move there since she is going into politics/government work when she is done with her Masters next spring. Therefore, my logical choice to move there, but all the stuff mention previously gives me no reason to give it a second thought.
 

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\/\/0RF said:
Anger leads to hate; hate leads to flames; flames lead to suf-fer-ing...
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The chimp that broke the donkey's back, as it were...

Agreed. People are generally tolerant of change, but there comes a point at which the populace just says "no. this is too much." Case in point: Kervorkian is rotting in prison last I heard.

Funny, and exactly.:)
 

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As far as the country moving too far to the right? Well, I'll argue that point by saying that the Democratic party has moved too far to the left!
Which factors of Democratic policy make you say this? Lots of us outside America see the Democratic party as pretty much right wing already.

When you say the Democrats have moved too far to the left, what some people see is "too far back to the centre". Which illustrates BBAs original point that the entire country is way too far right already pretty well.
 

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When you say the Democrats have moved too far to the left, what some people see is "too far back to the centre". Which illustrates BBAs original point that the entire country is way too far right already pretty well.
Just let us know which other superpower we should emulate and we'll get right on it.






... what do you mean we're the only one?
 

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\/\/0RF said:
Just let us know which other superpower we should emulate and we'll get right on it.






... what do you mean we're the only one?

Yeah but we're not perfect, and we are really failing at the foreign policy thing pretty badly IMO. I think we should try and work with other countries a lot more than we do. Our patience to do that too is pretty lacking.

Damnit, now we are getting off topic.:mad:
 

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MetalMickey said:
Which factors of Democratic policy make you say this? Lots of us outside America see the Democratic party as pretty much right wing already.

When you say the Democrats have moved too far to the left, what some people see is "too far back to the centre". Which illustrates BBAs original point that the entire country is way too far right already pretty well.

So you see Democrats as right wing and Republicans as 'extreme' right wing? :con:

The US Democratic party has strayed far left from where it once was in the height of it's power. Now it's held hostage by the many lobbyist groups that support it; groups that don't represent their constituency very well, but instead serve mainly as vessels of self-interest.

What elements of the Democratic party do you see as "right wing"?
 

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BBA:
We can do all of those things without retooling our entire national identity to match how other countries think we as people should behave.

Hal:
I think "right-wing" is defined across the big pond as "not socialist enough"