Flak Cannon = No Skill

[XxBonesxX]

I won't argue on that one Hal, but that damn gun is the most spamming gun in UT LOL

 

[~Cobra~]

well i used to hate the flak... but over the months i think the flak takes some skill to use.. at least in 1on1s...

in ctf/tdm.. it does become more of a spam weapon... you can say that about any other weapon too... the fact that flak seriously drops frames just makes it a bit more obvious...

my solution... drop the max ammo count to all weapons.. to about half... maybe lil less than half... cept for the mini, pulse and shock rifle... which i suggest drop about 25%... i mean if you have 48 rockets... you're going to spam em.. i don't care who you are... everyone does it... even if you have 30... there's a tendecy to spam... 24.. you can spam a bit but you'll run out fairly quickly.. 1on1 dm, and i guess RA.. the max ammo can stay the same but for ctf and tdm there's just too much spam sometimes...

 

[Mrukk]

Originally posted by hal
Would anyone here argue against the point that the Redeemer just 0wnz the BFG?

haha - they are not even in the same class my friend. The Redeemer is such a friggin beast of a weapon Damn dangerous too... there probably isn't even a number for the amount of times I have killed myself with it

 

[soyrico]

Hi,

I was about to recommend that Bones be the leader of a new clan, clan {918} in honor of his "stuck" post count. But, by George, nobody's post count seems to be changing. Hmmm.

Maybe we just think we are posting and reading new posts.

Thanks

Jim
bodkins@prologic.com

 

[(BoD) nepenthe]

They do change, it's just that EVERY message you've posted in the past gets updated with the new post total.

 

[Mr Z]

Yeah the minigun and pulse both kill very fast but both of those weapons are hardly spam weapons. The primary Pulse can be spam because the plasma balls are fairly slow but this also makes it less effective in comparison to other weapons. BTW-Has anyone mastered the primary Pulse?

The Rocket Launcher takes time to wind up those rockets, 6 is overkill IMO but most Rocket Jockeys only wind up around 3 anyway.

Shock Rifle is indeed powerful but there's definitely an art to the combo. Good Shock Rifle duels are pure bliss. People tend to spam the combo at times but the ammo toll somewhat balances things out, maybe not quite enough though. And yet again some people will spam the secondary fire as a last resort in a close quarter fight. Still the Shock is has to be one of UT's highlights.

I already ragged on the Ripper, it sucks monkey balls

Secondary RL, hmm never thought about that one, probably because its not quite as popular for spamming and easier to avoid. Once again these get wound up so most people can anticipate.

 

[hal]

When you view a thread you update all of the information on it. Therefore, if someone has more than one post on a single thread, all posts in that thread will reflect the most current post count for that person. example:

hal
posts 99 blah, blah, blah

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when I post a new message on that page it will look like this:

hal
posts 100 blah, blah, blah

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hal
posts 100 etc., etc., etc.

 

[soyrico]

I see,

The php code just puts the total record count there. They could have used the record number as well. That would allow you to refer to specific posts, by number. They could have done both I'll bet. That's just the programmer in me speaking.

I generally just write something in C or C++ to generate the pages on the backend. PHP looks tempting, but it is GPL'd.

Thanks bunches.

Jim
bodkins@prologic.com

P.S.

I am experimenting with javaservlets and the performance implications of java in an ASP environment.

 

[DividedSky]

Originally posted by bodkins
I was just pointing out that DividedSky's exams in school are a true test of skill. (Go ahead and prove me wrong DS).

Not to burst your bubble, Bodkins, but I slept my way to my Masters degree

 

[Blowfish]

partially agree

I see a lot of players fairly new to this game jump around and fire the flak in every direction.

But a lot of very skilled players use it as well.

Point taken, just don't go around saying everyone who uses the flak is a newbie

 

[(BoD) nepenthe]

I'd rather have a root canal than watch the olympics.

 

[Zaccix]

Skill.
Noun: skill.

1. An ability that has been acquired by training.

Training.
Noun: training.

1. Activity leading to skilled behavior.

I think it's fair to say that there is skill in playing UT. And no I'm not missing any of the Olympics arguing about Flak cannons (the cycling Mens Team Pursuit bronze final and the badminton Mixed Doubles final both 0wned )

 

[Mr Z]

I think its fairly clear that skill exists in UT.
How do you explain getting your ass handed to you by Overtoad over and over? Is he lucky all the time or what? There's definitely several aspects of the game to improve upon and everyone doesn't play on an equal level which further indicates the presence of skill.

 

[(BoD) nepenthe]

But it's not the kind of skill which requires years or decades of dedication and encompasses your whole lifestyle. Being a concert violinist, being an NBA all-star, writing like David Foster Wallace, these are skill areas that require a phenomenol amount of work and perseverence.

Perhaps SOME day, online games will have reached that level. And online gaming could become a real spectator sport that millions tune in to watch, with solid financial backing, recognizable star players (heh, maybe one of us), and professional dedication. But not UT, and probably not UT2 or UT3, either.
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Zaccix, was it (the olympic events you mentioned) really something I should tune in to watch? I don't even know what badminton is! I admit, I haven't given the olympics a chance (haven't even seen one second of it). In one sentence, can you try and get me interested enough to watch a little of it? And recommend a good section?

 

[[ACE]Revenant]

Yeah.......games WILL reach the level to have the whole world watching the 'World Championship UT' (well,not UT).........like people watch the olympic games in these days........

I think I'm going to start the UT-lympics........

-Pole hammerjumping
-Translocator Throwing
-1000m flag escape








-Revenant

 

[Stosh]

Hi, My name is Stosh, and I'm a Flak whore... I use the secondary fire about 80% and Primary 20%. In close quarters its very effective. Out in the open..primary is worthless, secondary really does take some skill. There really is no better feeling than nailing an enemy with the secondary fire.

The primary fire is very easy to dodge, I was playing the single game tourny. On one of the last maps before Xan, I must have fired the primary 20 times and this damn robot was dodging every one. Online people dodge it so well, I pretty much stopped using primary at all. I find myself using rockets much more..it's just a better weapon in most situations. If I get in a fight, the enemy has flak, and I have the RL, I will win that battle 80% of the time.

Quit whining about it, learn to defend against it, cause if you come up against me, your gonna have to.

 

[ShadowKi][er]

If i see a flak spammer comin @ me, i laugh my a$$ off, then combo them. Flak Whores, Us ShockWhores, MiniWhores, we are all a bunch of goddamn Lamers Rnt we >:| . Sounds like U R a newbie who cant help getting killed by the flak. It's not easy to kill a vet. player with the flak. Trust me.
-ShockWhores 0wn j00!

 

[Goughmezz]

I'm a wannabe shock whore. I agree shock whore rule j00.

 

[SkummyB|BuF]

I was gonna ignore this thread and let it fade out into "bollocks post history", but a lot of people are posting on it, so I think I should state my oppinion.

The Flak Cannon is a weapon in the game, that is a fact you can't get away from, b1tching about it won't go away. The way I see it (and i've said this in a previous post) I payed for UT and i got a set of weapons with it, therefor i can use any of those weapons, since i payed for them.

I've even been called a Lamer for killing someone with the BioRifle - do you know how long it takes to figure that thing out?

My philosophy is - I'll use whatever weapon I like, Screw anyone who tells me any different, that includes you ThatDamnSniper.

 

[[Ci]Mazza]

Anyone with a good knowledge of how flak works knows that the only way to use it is to use the secondary almost exclusively. 1 hit = 1 kill at any range, no point in spamming puny primary when it does nothing except annoy at long range