CS gas?

[Mappie]

Anyone ever thought of adding tear gas/cs gas (im not sure of the proper term). For instance, u drop one and if anyone runs into the smoke they lose health for as long as they are in it. Even though i dont think tear gas can kill, there could be a limit on how much health it drains maybe. Anyways post your thoughts.

 

[Big_Duke_06]

Interesting idea... For tear gas perhaps a loss of stamina (and delay once emerging from cloud for stamina to re-fill) and some visual effects - blurring, etc? Can that be done with the UT engine? Would make a cool mutie...

Matthew

 

[Meplat]

I'm not sure of current fielding of CN/CS (or OC) irritant gases in militaries. I know some was used as early as WW2, but most forgoe them for a more permanent irritant. The fragements from a MkII.

That being said, I'd like some way to "smoke" out an opponent, in situations where they're in a building, but inaccessable by direct fire.
Also, a nice, nasty WP/Smoke grenade, either for the GL's, or as a hand thrown munition would be "fun".

Meplat-

 

[spm1138]

I read about CS being used by SF and SEALs in Vietnam.

They used it as a defensive weapon to cover a retreat as well as the obvious.

Don't know how used it is now, but it would be nice to have.

 

[OICW]

In the 1996 FM on the treatment of NBC casualties, it mentions that a new (at the time obviously) riot control agent was available, called CR (dibenzoxazepine) , but I've found no more info on it since.

 

[ninjin]

The russian special forces' rescue attempt in the opera in russia (i think last year?) used some sort of gas to gas-out the Cechen terrorist that took over an opera. Except hostages died due to the gas as well, many suffering injuries, with an overall failure in the mission with around 200 dead... but of course, im sure you could find that out in some news archives on it

 

[Demosthanese]

Rainbow Six 3: Raven Shield has a nice Gas effect where it gradually fades out old frames
instead of the usual instant switch. Not sure if it can be done in UT, but it can be done
in UT2k3.

Still, not sure if gas is really used by infantry. It is, however, used by police. One of the
AFA vets want to fill us in?

 

[5eleven]

Ninjin, the gas used in Russia was "sleeping" gas which from all accounts is some type of secret nerve gas, lethal without antidote.

CS is an irritant, and generally will not cause death, except under certain specific concentrations and circumstances. CS is used in civilian law enforcement, during riot control, and in fact, is what is prepared for military trainees in the US for exposure to chemical agents. And yes, it is still used for that purpose.

In RA286, Duke/Toad made a WP 40mm round, which was pretty neat.......it just set you on fire, and you either had to low crawl or get into water to put it out.

The problem with development of a chemical agent in game, is how to differentiate between the appearance of regular smoke and the chemical agent. Although, I generally like the idea, esp for spawncamping spots, hehe. In addition, someone would say it isn't realistic, because a soldier would have a mask and MOPP gear and I for one, don't want to see someone trying to model either of those.

 

[sir_edmond]

isnt cs gad yellow and i dont recall a yellow smokenade ingame.

 

[5eleven]

If you are talking about smoke color, no, not that I've ever seen. Colored smoke nades are the only colored smoke that I am familiar with.

If you are talking about label color, CS is generally blue, CN is generally red, and OC is generally orange. I'd hafta look up the others.

 

[sir_edmond]

well then we just use the blue cs and I dont recall pulling a bblue smokenade out in game.

 

[sir_edmond]

Any way iv been doing some research and cs gas is illegal to use inmodern day warfare as most of you have said that this is a more milispec over SWAT over police work.

 

[Demosthanese]

CS, CN, etc. are generally more transpaerant than the stuff that billows out of a smoke
grenade, so that's another easy way to tell them apart.

 

[Specter]

Most of the gas grenades and smoke grenades are listed under obsolete grenades. The White Phosphorus smoke grenade is one of the obsolete ones. The gas grenades are mostly for riot control. An interesting not is that the stun grenade is capable of being used as an early warning device if set up in a trip wire trap.

Here is a feild manual about hand grenades:
http://155.217.58.58/cgi-bin/atdl.dll/fm/3-23.30/toc.htm

 

[5eleven]

By blue, I meant the markings, if I wasn't clear. Not the color of the smoke. Coloring different grenade markings is just an easy way to tell them apart.

CS can be powdered, burned, liquified or aerosolized.

Depends on what you are using. They make a 12 gauge CS round that is powdered CS. They also make a pyrotechnic smoke, which is not more transparent that regular smoke grenades.

Ferret or barricade rounds are liquified in the cap of the round.

There is also a non-pyrotechnic aerosolized CS grenade that can be used, generally for indoor use.

Bushwack and I were discussing the gas issue earlier and he brought up a good point: "Yeah, Infiltration is "as real as it gets" but if it gets too real, who the hell would play, cuz life ain't that fun."

 

[ecale3]

I believe the gas used in russia was lethal when more than a specific amount was used and the russian units that responded pumped the building full of it.

 

[G36]

Most of the reason why the Russian gas was lethal was they dragged hostages out and (because there were lots of hostages) just laid them on the concrete outside on their back to recover. These hostages had just inhaled a large dose of anaesthetic and, as is natural after anaesthetic, many of them vomited. Because they were on their back (contrary to basic first aid) many of them inhaled their own vomit and died. The Russians also had far too few medics at the scene. Those that were there had an antidote for the gas but only the medics could administer it, and there was too few of them.

Some of the hostages died due to the drug itself, but not very many. Most died from poor planning and stupidity.

 

[Evil_Joe]

CS is still used by the US Military. It doesn't cause death unless of course it displaced the breathable air in an area... unlikely to do so in 99% of its applications.

CN gas not to be confused with cyanide.

They used an anaesthetic on many people without adjusting dosage per each pesons individual characteristics which they couldn't do. I won't continue on the Russian's use of this in that situation as it is a sore subject.

 

[5eleven]

Hmmmm, I've yet to find anything really substantive on the Russian incident, regarding what type of agent was used......I do know that they referred to it as a "knockout gas", but that it's existence was relatively classified. Some things that I've read intimated that it was some form of a nerve agent, but more than one thing that I read indicated that an antidote would have been necessary shortly after deployment, which was not available. I don't know if the US or any other government has ever been advised what the agent was.

Definitely wasn't CS.

But I'm afraid to argue the lethality of CS, or it's flammability, especially after Waco.

Not to start another argument or hijack a thread..............just a lot of questions linger there.

 

[Evil_Joe]

You can be afraid to argue one but one of my first MOS was 54B (chemical specialist) so I'll argue it. I've worked with CS several times where its been used on me and when I've regulated its use (ran a gas chamber) so I have some experience with it. I was young when waco went down, are you sure it was CS and not another tear agent?