Why's that? Because I keep pointing out the errors and hypocrisies in your arguments?Well it seems its not possible to have reasonable discussion on consoles with you Keech...
Only if you consider Tribes 2 to be an MMORPG as well...First of all, Planetside is a MMORPG, belive it or not...
Well, that's you opinion and you're entitled to it. However, in my opinion, you've got to be on crack if you think that PlanetSide's stereotypical "Doom Trooper"...and iMO, the characters are WAYY more detailed and sharper then those of FFXi or whatever it is.
You said, and I quote, "NO games on the PS2 will ever have such a huge enviorment as for example Operation Flashpoint." You made no mention of FPS's specifically. You simply said that no game on the PS2 had landscapes like those seen in Operation Flashpoint. Obviously, you were mistaken.but comparing a driveing game with a FPS...
And what gives you that idea? I can assure you, most preview shots are in-game. If not, they'll clearly be marked otherwise.The pre-rendered thing was only because they(PS2 previews) normally are
The only reason the PS2 shots look worse when compared to the PC shots is because To The Game sucks at taking screenshots. The PC shots are all action shots with nice close-ups while the PS2 shots are relatively sterile overhead shots. If you want an accurate comparison, go to the source: EA SPORTS.Keech will obviously disagree or find some lame excuse for the simple fact: The PC edition looks better then the PS2 edition on basically the same game...
So, if Tribes 2 (or even Unreal Tournament, for that matter) was capable of 100-player matches, charged a monthly fee, and was set in a "persistent" world (persistent only in the fact that bases which have been won by one side remain as such until retaken), as far as you're concerned, they would be MMORPGs? Hardly. PlanetSide is not an MMORPG by virtue of the simple fact that it is not an RPG to begin with (like it or not, but experience points do not an RPG make). It may contain RPG-like elements, but it's still very much a First-Person Shooter.Originally posted by "Sp!ke":
I dont consider Tribes 2 a MMorpg, simply because it isnt...
Have you heard anything about Planetside?!?
A few facts: Consistent game world, character building(XP points), subscription fee... do I need more?(Ok there can only be a "few" hundred on the same server, but thats because its real time combat and anymore people = unplayable unless you were sitting inside the server )
Smuggler's Run 2 is every bit as detailed as Operation Flashpoint.What I ment is: You cant really see details in a driveing game, not to the same extend as in a FPS, and Smugglers Run 2 didnt even look any good(did you see that black "line" on the snowmobile)
Am I supposed to be impressed? That landscape is nothing to write home about, and that character model is no more detailed than those found in FFX. The only noteworthy difference is the fact that it's in hi-res (and you'd probably need one monster of a PC to play it in that resolution).Ok, if you didnt think that the Uber detailed pic I posted was any good: (stas fas)
What is it with this "The PS2 couldn't even load Anarchy Online" and "The PS2 couldn't even load the AI" crap? Do you have facts to back this up or are you just pulling it straight out of your ass?And a truely revolusionary game(THE worst pun of the day..(The PS2 couldnt even load the AI)) :
http://www.elixir-studios.co.uk/htm/rep_synopsis.html
That blurriness is called "image compression", and considering that most of them are scanned from magazine articles, I'd say the quality is remarkably good.And in the screenies of FFxi you can easily see the blurriness in the pic as opposed to the "clear as crystal" pic of Planetside.
Yes, but can it render games as detailed as I've shown at 60 fps? My guess would be no. And that GeForce 4 alone would run you about $500 here, which is $200 more than you'd spend buying a comparable console."AMD1.2GHz, 256MB RAM
DVD player, 30GB HD
GeForce2, with 17" "
IT IS STILL AROUND 550$ and should play games in years to come...and in a year you can upgrade to a GF 4(?) and still play games in 1024 and 32bit...
I'll concede that a CD/R would be a bargain at that price, but it's a trivial loss. My 8MB memory card cost me $9.99 USD. In the 10 months that I've owned my PS2, I've still filled less than 1/8th it's capacity. Using those figures, my $9.99 memory card will last me approximately 8 years before I'll need to buy another. Even with the price of the memory card added on to the price of a PS2, it'll still only run you about $315 USD total. Compared to a $1000+ gaming PC, I'd say that's a steal.And I would like a counter argument on my 1000x larger backup capacity for 13kr more....
Prices taken directly from PriceWatch.com (this is about as cheap as you'll find):I looked at your prices on comp parts in the US, thats ****ing expensive if thats the real prices...
(in nok)
CPU (1ghz athlon) - 1,013,-
RAM(512mb) - 509,-
SB Live! - 370,-
MB (abit) - 1,105,-
Rather than raise the resolution of one screenshot to almost triple it's original size, why don't we simply shrink the PlanetSide image down? That way, we don't have to deal with image compression...Originally posted by RogueLeader:
For the sake of fairness we need to compare games of similar resolution, instead of a full sized picture to a small one that will naturally be smoothed to the eye. Look at Final Fantasy Online when you raise the resolution to the same as the Doom-like soldier pic.
I should also note that the enlarged picture I have on there is just larger than 640x480, what your average television will get. Because of the blur on most televisions and the low resolution, that is what you will actually see unless you have HDTV.
Then explain to me why GameSpot, IGN, and Verant Interactive all refer to it as a Massively Multiplayer First Person Shooter?First ; look at the edges on the house roofs, not very good, and all of the terrain is also pretty grainy, nothing compared to Planetside... And how can you claim that it isnt a MMORPG?!
Reasons why PLanetside is a MMORPG:
1. The publisher says so.'
2. Everyone else says so.
3. IT IS!
4. Its not "unreal with 100 players"
5. The simple fact that the ones making it (Verant, known for a small game called "Everquest") said so, shuld be enough...
Considering that the PS2 seems to have no problems whatsoever running Final Fantasy Online, which I've already established looks better than Anarchy Online, I don't see why you believe it would have trouble handling AO.That is based upon that you need at the very least 128MB to play it, this would be a bit hard to load for a machine that has 32mb...
Wow. You must've been in a different thread than I was, because so far, you haven't provided anything that matches Rogue Squadron II, Dead or Alive 3, Project Ego, Outcast 2, or even FFX and Final Fantasy Online.1. Graphics are better on PCs.
And you came to this conclusion how? 80% of all PC games fall into 3 categories: First-Person Shooter, Real-Time Strategy, or Flight Simulator.2. There is more variety in games on PC.
And, as I've already established, different games require different interfaces. Try playing Gran Turismo 3 or Devil May Cry with your mouse and keyboard and then tell me how "complete" it is.3. The mouse/keyboard combo is the most "complete" control system there is(i know there exists a keyboard to the consoles, but nobody use them for gaming)
That's a matter of opinion. It hardly proves anything.4. I have never bothered playing games with my PSX and Dreamcast, only because the games werent really any good.
Yeah. And I guess because the graphics on the 6-year-old PSX suck when compared to your Voodoo 1, that completely rules out the PS2, Xbox, and GameCube and renders all my arguments null and void.And I tried quite a lot of games, especially for the Dreamcast.
(the graphics on the PSX was even awfull compared to my Voodoo 1 computer)
You can't have "lag free" multiplayer games over a PC modem either, so where exactly are you going with this?5. One of the best experiences you can have with a game is multiplayer, no console have ever had a game where you could play VS 16 friends, without lag...(And I know that the PS2 is prolly going to have a broadband connection, but it hasnt so it dosnt matter(dreamcast was also supposed to have "Lag free Gaming))