Not getting high enogh fps

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ALG

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Not getting high enough fps

I frequently play a wonderful gametype known as Assault. Unfortunately, as most of you who have played this gametype without pimped out rigs probably know, this thing zaps your fps bigtime. I realize that I can never get the ~90 fps that I get in DM/CTF maps in AS yet I would still like to be much higher than where I currently run (20~30). Not knowing what else to do, I am turning to the brilliant minds at BuF for help.

I have an AMD XP 2700+ processor, a Raedon 9800 Pro graphics card, and 1 gig of ddr pc2100 ram. I run Windows XP sp1.

My graphics settings were (until recently) all high/medium with only projectors and dynamic lighting checked. At Raffi's recommendation I turned everything but charecter detail to lowest (charecter is highest) and went from 1280x1024 to 800x600 but none of this had an impact on my AS fps.

My goal would be 45 min fps.

I realize this might require major upgrading and if that is the case please tell me. If there are other things I can try though please let me know! Thanks alot in advance.
 
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Dark Pulse said:
I have a feeling your RAM is bottlenecking a bit. Try to get a gig of PC2700 and you should get decent - good FPS in Assault maps.

Overclocking could be an easy/cheap solution here. It requires good quality RAM modules though and I can't guarantee safety and/or improvement in your gaming experience.
I won't be taking responsibility for any of your actions I only suggested it.

You can never know people good enough online... :p
 

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UT2004 is processor bottlenecked. As you've found out, reducing screen resolution does not increase FPS. Overclocking is the logical solution in a PC that is aging. But I know nothing of the overclockability of your processor. To complicate things further there are 3 revisions of the 2700+ - one that runs at an fsb of 100, another at 133 and another at 166.

One thing is certain - there will be a wealth of info out there on how to OCthese older processors - i'd have a read of those. Which motherboard you have is also a big factor, and what temps you are on already.
 

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There are a few tips over at the fragBU FAQ. Have you checked those out?

ALG said:
I have an AMD XP 2700+ processor, a Raedon 9800 Pro graphics card, and 1 gig of ddr pc2100 ram. I run Windows XP sp1.
For the record: to me, your setup qualifies as a 'pimped out rig' ;)
 

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That's weird, your graphics card is almost the same as mine (I have the 9800XT), your CPU is slightly faster than mine (Athlon 2600+, 166 FSB here) and I have slightly faster memory (1GB PC2700) yet I can have texture quality and character quality at max, running at 1280x1024 without frame drops on Onslaught (this even includes 32-player servers).

Have you checked things aren't running in the background? It would also be helpful if you could find out what the FSB of the CPU is :)
 
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I'm at about the same spec's as you are: 2.8G proccy (an underclocked 3.2G), Radeon 9800 Pro, 1G Ram and my frames in AS are pretty good (map dependant). Yeah they drop into the 30's and 40's but they're mostly above that.
 

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ALG sounds about right, my 2600+ (266FSB) was getting that. AS was a nightmare at times.

rhirud is correct, the game is CPU/Ram dependant. OC gonna help but if you really don't know how to do it, read up or don't do it.

Here is an EG. if this game and pc's, I had an Athlon 2600+(266 FSB) with 768 megs, I had a GF4 ti 4600, game ran well, put in a R9800 pro, saw maybe a 10 FPS increase, same settings, Dropped a R X800XT PE in saw NO change in FPS! But I recently got an A64 3400+, 1 gig of ram, R X800XT PE, then I asw a FPS increase.
 

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You might have to adjust your driver settings also. Are you running the latest drivers? If so, open up your advanced D3D settings and fiddle around there a bit (set vsync to forced off, turn off AA/AF, lower mipmap and/or texture detail, etc.)
 

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Raffi_B said:
lower mipmap and/or texture detail
I found that did sod all to the frame. Also, turning mipmaps to lowest causes almost all textures (including character textures) in the game to look AWFUL.
 

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I recently had an issue with UT2004, in general, where my FPS was dropping into single digits while playing online. When the machine was new, this was never a problem. I was also developing video artifacts on the screen, such as fine multi-colored horizontal lines across the top of the screen while playing, and my Windows cursor would change into a multi-colored square.

I didn’t have any problems when using the PC for non-3D accelerated applications, such as web browsing, e-mail and word processing.

(BTW, it is capped at 85fps online, so you never reached ~90 unless you were playing offline...)

Anyway, nothing had changed in my rig, which is a P4 3.0GHz, 2Gb RAM, Radeon x800 video card, etc. etc. I do have 5 internal hard drives, a SCSI CD-ROM and an IDE DVD-ROM drive. To power all of this, I have 2 power supplies – one AT (with a hard switch so it is always on) and one ATX.

I was yanking my hair out trying to determine the source of the frame drops. I changed my router to one with QoS control so I could dedicate port 7777 as a “high priority” port. I rewired my case, and installed extra fans (there are now 13), to alleviate any heat related problems. All to no avail.

Finally, I took my multimeter (voltmeter) and checked the voltages coming from the ATX power supply, which supplied power to the video card and most everything else. I found that when I was playing UT2004, the voltages were dropping below the required 5 and 12 volts supplied to the Molex connector on the back of the x800.

So, I took off that Molex, and plugged in one from the AT power supply, which wasn’t supplying power to all that many things inside the case. Now the voltages to the x800 were solid at 5 and 12 volts.

Problem solved. I’m getting 50-85fps most all the time again. And life is good.

Lesson: Make sure your video card is getting enough power, particularly if it has its own power connection to the power supply.
 

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PapaBear said:
Lesson: Make sure your video card is getting enough power, particularly if it has its own power connection to the power supply.
You saying that, just looked at my rails and my +5V rail is 15% out - going to have to look into it :(
 

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PapaBear said:
Lesson: Make sure your video card is getting enough power, particularly if it has its own power connection to the power supply.

Good tip! Did you figure out what was wrong with the atx supply? Sounds like 2 steps short of a fire hazard....
 

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HuggyBear said:
Good tip! Did you figure out what was wrong with the atx supply? Sounds like 2 steps short of a fire hazard....

Well, I over simplified for the sake of the point I was trying to make... I had actually installed a new, "bigger", ATX power supply just a few months ago (a PC Power and Cooling "Silencer" 470w model). Because it was a newer and "bigger" PS than the old ATX PS, I plugged more things into it than were plugged into the old one.

I simply had too many things plugged into the ATX PS. When the Radeon went into "3D mode", which increases the work it is doing and therefore the current it draws, the load on the PS (how much current was being drawn) increased to a point that it couldn't adequately handle.

So really the fix was to better distribute the loads between the two PS's. I could have also purchased a higher wattage PS, but why spend the extra money?

And yes, I really do have that much stuff in my PC. The things drawing power inside my case are: mobo, CPU, 4 sticks of memory, 5 hard drives, 1 CD-ROM, 1 DVD-ROM, floppy drive, video card, SCSI card, Audigy sound card, (2) FireWire cards [I have 4 external FireWire hard drives, but they have their own PS's] and 10 case fans.
 

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I simply had too many things plugged into the ATX PS. When the Radeon went into "3D mode", which increases the work it is doing and therefore the current it draws, the load on the PS (how much current was being drawn) increased to a point that it couldn't adequately handle.

I suspected you were loading it down pretty good from earlier descriptions, but man, I didn't think you'd need 2 supplies! I'm surprised the ps didn't cry, but I guess they don't make them as fancy as the mainframe ones I used to deal with. Those were finnicky buggers to calibrate, let me tell you.
 

ALG

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Thanks alot for the feedback guys. I am currently ordering a new power supply and hoping it will work.

Raffi- I still have all those changes made from when you first recommended them so I am guessing its probably a hardware thing.

Thanks again for the responces.
 

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ive got 35 is with this system and tat With all the settings ON

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