Weapon Balance Thread

I think the (insert classname)-class is far overpowered because of the (insert random weapon of that class) Me as a (insert classname) has got no chance with just my (insert random weapon of that class) and my (insert unique properties of that class).

Oh, and (insert random american BUF-Member != Admin) stinks!

I like it the way it is.

Tech:
The gas grenades need to be more like the incendiary ... smaller radius and shorter duration. They do about the same damage. Maybe have them meet in the middle somewhere.

The shotgun's primary range needs to be cut down and the alt-fire needs its damage reduced. Either that or have the alt-fire's damage retarded more by shields. Right now it can outright kill a gunner with 100 life and 500 shields in one blow without scratching the tech. This happens more often when the tech boost jumps torwards the target.

The assault rifle needs a slight accuracy boost.

Turrets ... the only thing I don't like about them is that I believe that they need to be affected by shield much more then they are.

Ranger:
Shields need to have a greater impact on the pistol.

Gunner:
The flamethrower alt-fire duration should be increased.
It's too hard to lock on with the alt-fire "lock on rockets"

A few things to keep in mind about gunners:
1) Since both ranger and tech can jump higher then gunners they are more likely to get head shots on gunners.
2) Rangers and Techs easily outpace the gunner, making really short range weapons like the flamethrower very hard to use outside of closterfobic hallways.
3) Targets that dodge away from the point of impact of a rocket take little to no damage from the impact.
4) Even in close range combat, airborn targets are practically immune to rockets and are usually unhittable with the flamethrower.

Don't know what the solution is, but those are the trouble areas of the class.

I like it the way it is.

On weapon balance I am actually a fan of the pistol damage as is. If one wanted to nerf it a bit a better way might be to decrease the clip size further. Since I usually play as a ranger I have to say that the clip size is the major limiting factor on the pistol as is, further reducing it would weaken the pistol quite a bit. On the other hand, I would like to see a useful alt fire for the pistol...as it stands the pistol is the only weapon with a completely useless alt fire.

Ranger-
Sniper is fine.
Pistol is painfully overpowered. Shields should absorb more.
Shocklance is fine.
Smoke grenades.. not sure what you would change anyway.
Frag nades - deadly, if used properly. Leave em alone.

Tech -
AR - primary fire is useless at long range. Increase accuracy. Leave the alt-fire, it's great for destroying turrets.
Shotgun - decrease primary range. Make primary more affected by shields. (The alt fire is short ranged anyway, imo if you let the tech get that close you deserve to die, but having TWO one-shot kill options on the same gun is a bit silly.)
EMP - Fine.
Gas - Decrease duration.
Not gonna cover deploaybles..

Gunner -
Rocket - the alt-fire is difficult to lock on, but once it gets there they seem to have infinite range. Bug? Increase the radius to acquire lock, decrease range. Primary is fine by me.
Flamer - primary is fine. The alt-fire is completely useless except for creating ghetto timebombs by placing it on top of a mine. Remove the self-detonation and have it burn only when touched or by shot with an incendiary weapon. If the flames spread between patches that'd be cool too, but not sure how difficult it would be to code that.
Conc nades - already stated somewhere you've blocked the jumping exploit, but why do these always seem to stun the user more than the person they hit?
Incendiary nades - Fine as is.

i agree with the pistol
its a pistol ffs
taking 15+ damage (i only had 15) at sniper range is just ludicrus maybe reduse its accuracy
conc should stay the same but should be with gas taked out of deuling contets cos they are unfair :/
gas should be reduced in radius damage and duration o and stop it going through walls and doors fed up of being killed by gas from the other side of a ****ing wall or door and being killed by the invisabel thing it does near the end of its duration :/
assault rifle primary should by made more accurate at long range like the pistol other then that its fine at close its lethal to rangers
sniper make it eefect shield having 12 health and 500 shield after being sniperd is rediculous whats the point it shields if nothing effects them
gunner - primery rockets are fine (maybe a bit more damage ) lock ons should lock on to the target properly i try to lock on to a jugger but u have to find the guy INSIDE the jugger to lock on maybe make them lock quicker so rangers dont dodge the thing in the time delay
emp - overpowered kills both PLAYERS AND VEHICLES very quickly
auto turrets - to accurate
rocket turrets - to in accurate
walls - useless :/
rangers need a deploybale
o and fireball
gas turrets - should burn in hell

Conc gernades are only good for jumping with, which was never an exploit and the only compensation gunners had for the fact that they don't get anywhere near the same amount of performance as other classes per unit endurance or jump juice.

Well, the jumping part is fine, it's the not being blinded while you're doing it that's an exploit.
And phalanx, so can artidozenraptors

1. shotgun: shorter range, same power
2. assault rifle: alt-fire, with faster rate of fire
3. Shock grenades: larger radius
4. gas grenades: shorter cloud duration
5. pistol: make it slightly less accurate
6. rockets: increase rocket speed (that'll fix the lock on issues, and make it easier to hit someone in air)

I've also hard mentioned that people want the gunner to have some sort of small arms. I'll trade the assault rifle for the flame thrower any day.

I'll trade the assault rifle for the flame thrower any day.

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You would trade your primary weapon for a secondary ...

Well, the jumping part is fine, it's the not being blinded while you're doing it that's an exploit.

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Can we have wall jumping blind the target please?
Cost the gunner 5 - 15% life per jump and is the only thing that helps compensate for the fact that the gunner doesn't get anywhere near the same performance per unit endurance and/or jump juice that the other classes get.
Personally I don't like the idea of being a sitting duck to a ranger that wall jumped high up onto some surface with cover and having no way to reach them.

The assault rifle is rarely used as a primary weapon by most techs. It's generally used as the weapon when you run of ammo for eveything else (that last statement applies to me, and mayeb others I dunno). "I" would trade the assault rifle for the flame thrower...I'm sure many would disagree.

If techs got the flamethrower they would be the undisputed kings of close range combat. As opposed to the disputed due to the shotgun alt-fire vs. flamethrower debates, which are close enough to be alarming.

rangers should get better fire power since theyr armor is so weak they should atleast put up a good fight, the gun is puny shoots only 1 or 3 shots at a time and the sniper isnt made for close range so i think that we should get a shotgun or something either that or armor bonuses powerups etc, or be able to use a suit that blends us in with the enviroment better.

Actually, I've always wanted to see Gunners have the Shock Lance and Rangers get tripmines. 1: Rangers need more backup to take on vehicles (they still have frags but only 6) and 2: we can yell at them for energy drain now

actually after reading the preceeding thoughts... I take back all my suggestions, as it appears to be well balanced as it is. When nobody can agree on anything then balance has been obtained .