I won't mention any names, but thier tag starts with an M and ends with an R And this may not be news to many, but I saw a nasty trick done on Orbital that needs to be fixed or at least brought to attention. ESPECIALLY for those of us that play matches on it. In each base above the RL, there are the arches that make up the dome-like skylight. While playing some of these guys in a friendly game, I went on a flag recovery and had a very difficult time finding the enemy FC. After scouring the base, I looked up and discovered the FC had used boots or a hammer jump to wedge himself inbetween the colomns. Not only was he hard to find, but after sending a volley of rockets his way, I found he also couldn't be hit at all while up there, because the map design will not allow any projectiles of any kind to hit that area (including xloc). Ok, does anyone besides me think this is a major cheese move? In all fairness, maybe they don't use this tactic in matches, wich I would hope to be the case. But, if some do, now its known that this could be used against you in a game. Hope this helps. Post your opinions here... - Ru