[Ipod]I am going to buy an Ipod soon, but do I get the G3 or G4 version

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BillyBadAss

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I am going to buy an Ipod in the next few days, but I am not sure which one I want to buy. I really like the way the G3 version works and looks, but the G4 is the newer technology. I have also read that the G4s have some issues with audiable noise when it access the disk that you can hear while listening to music. That won't cut it.:tdown: Have any of you had this problem? I also think the G4 ones look cheap. I wonder if Apple decided to maximize their profits by making the G4 less tech by removing the touch system, and replacing it with clickable buttons.:down: I have been reading at http://ipodlounge.com about them, but it sounds like the G3 version is the better choice. Anway, what do you think?

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BesigedB

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Turns2Ashes said:
Just doing my duty of spreading Internet drama. http://www.ipodsdirtysecret.com/

IT'S LIKE I'M WALKING WITH THE DINOSAURS
Seriously, would people quit linking to that site. The issues applied to gen one ipods, the last of which rolled off the production line no less than two years ago. It's redundant footage! We've seen it all before!
They even say that themselves.

ipds.com said:
After we finished production of the film, Apple began offerring a battery replacement program for the ipod for a fee of $99 and an extended warranty for the ipod for $59.

Now, back to the issue on hand, I would buy a gen four but in a couple of months time when hopefully the noise issues have been ironed out.
 

BillyBadAss

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BesigedB said:
IT'S LIKE I'M WALKING WITH THE DINOSAURS
Seriously, would people quit linking to that site. The issues applied to gen one ipods, the last of which rolled off the production line no less than two years ago. It's redundant footage! We've seen it all before!
They even say that themselves.



Now, back to the issue on hand, I would buy a gen four but in a couple of months time when hopefully the noise issues have been ironed out.

Thanks. I was justing going to ignore him.
 

ZenPirate

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3rd gen- lower battery life, but has no moving parts. Cool light up buttons
4th gen- longer battery life, but has moving click wheel.No light up buttons

Personally, I'd stick to the 3rd gen, unless battery life of over 7-8 hours is important to you
 

BillyBadAss

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ZenPirate said:
3rd gen- lower battery life, but has no moving parts. Cool light up buttons
4th gen- longer battery life, but has moving click wheel.No light up buttons

Personally, I'd stick to the 3rd gen, unless battery life of over 7-8 hours is important to you


Good points.:tup: Who can top that now?:)
 

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ZenPirate said:
3rd gen- lower battery life, but has no moving parts. Cool light up buttons
4th gen- longer battery life, but has moving click wheel.No light up buttons

Personally, I'd stick to the 3rd gen, unless battery life of over 7-8 hours is important to you

Do you recharge the battery or does it have to be replaced? How much does it cost to replace it? Do you still have to send it in to apple?
 

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Do you recharge the battery or does it have to be replaced? How much does it cost to replace it? Do you still have to send it in to apple?

It's like the battery in your phone, it will be eventually loose it's charge-holding capacity. Just snap off the case to replace it.
 

BillyBadAss

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tool said:
Do you recharge the battery or does it have to be replaced? How much does it cost to replace it? Do you still have to send it in to apple?

Me --->:stick:<--- Tool

He means after 7 to 8 hours you have to charge it again. I'm going to let you off easy this time with a little somethin somethin squirting in your mouth.:mwink:

I also would like to point out this over at iPodlounge. It explains the issue with the 4th generations:

This page is a central hub summarizing known information on an audio defect affecting certain fourth-generation (4G) iPods. Our previous news stories on the topic are available here, here, and here.

What is the Audio Defect: "Users of affected iPods will be able to hear a hard disk-like whirring sound in their earphones, coupled with several seconds of light static at the start of a song that has just been loaded. This should not be confused with the quiet hard disk loading sounds that an iPod makes, which sounds are not audible through earphones, or with normal static-like compression artifacts in your audio."

Who is affected by the Audio Defect: iPodlounge initially believed that the Audio Defect was limited to a small number of units, perhaps only 40GB iPods, as three of iPodlounge's four total 40GB test units have now exhibited the problem. However, user comments subsequently established that both 20GB and 40GB units are affected. The exact number of problem units is not known, or for that matter knowable. iPodlounge has been gathering user input for three weeks, and emphasized "that [while] the results of our inquiry are comprised of strictly voluntary submissions from readers, and should not be taken as scientific or conclusive, they do suggest that the problem may be more widespread than we had originally hoped." The most recent requests for positive or negative test results have yielded hundreds of responses from users around the world. Approximately 42% of responding iPodlounge users reported the audio defect in one or more of the 4G iPods they purchased or received in exchange.

How can you test a 4G iPod for the Audio Defect: "To test your iPod while eliminating the possibility that static from your music or headphones may be responsible, use iTunes to encode several three- to five-minute compact disc tracks using Apple's Lossless Audio encoder, transfer them to your iPod, then connect the earbuds packaged with your new iPod. Find the directory or create a playlist with only the Lossless tracks, and skip back and forth between them. Hold your iPod at a distance or cover it up so that you can't hear its normal internal hard disk sounds. If your iPod has a problem, at the start of each loaded song, you should hear a loading pause, then a whirring sound and light static in your ears at a normal volume level. If it does not have a problem, the song should load and play without audio interference."

Common misconceptions regarding the Audio Defect:



The problem is not caused by Apple Lossless encoding. iPodlounge's testing procedure recommends Apple Lossless solely because large file sizes cause more frequent accesses to the iPod's hard drive, therefore more quickly revealing the problem on an affected iPod.


The problem is not caused by Chinese manufacturing per se. iPodlounge posted details regarding its test units (shipped from Shanghai, China) in an effort to help Apple and possibly affected users identify a specific plant from which affected units were being produced.


The problem is not limited to orders coming from the Apple Store or to the United States. Issues have been reported in 4G iPods purchased from different stores in different countries.


The problem is not the same in all affected iPods. iPodlounge has now heard affected iPods where the noise is only audible in one of the two headphones, and others where it is audible in both headphones at once. Some affected iPods appear to make the sounds loudly, while others appear to be more mild.


The problem is not identical to problems in prior-generation iPods. Some users of older third-generation iPods and iPod minis have reported similar sounds that appear only when charging and using accessories connected to the Dock Connector port. The current problem manifests when the iPod is not connected to any additional hardware save headphones, and typically can be heard overlapping the music with static.


The problem does not exist in a unit just because it makes hard disk access noises. Every iPod contains a hard disk that loads data in chunks during playback, and this hard disk is not supposed to be silent - but you shouldn't generally hear it inside your headphones. Hard disk access noises coming from the iPod's case (and audible without using headphones) are totally normal. The Audio Defect only exists when you can heard the sound of hard disk accesses accompanied by static coming through the headphones attached to the iPod. Some users have reported that audio played through the Dock Connector port exhibits the same issues.


Added Aug. 23, 2004: The iPod's part numbers are of no aid in sorting problem units from non-problem ones. Apple's two current model units (M9282LL/A - 20GB, M9268LL/A - 40GB) are uniformly identified by these part numbers, and contrary to rumors that have been floating around, to the best of iPodlounge's knowledge there is no "fixed" M9282LL/C or M9268LL/C version of either product.

What is Apple's official position on the Audio Defect? Apple has not commented on the record to iPodlounge since late July, at which time the company indicated that it was still looking into the issue. Some users whose units exhibited the problem have reported receiving exchanges from Apple Store locations and certain other Apple-authorized retailers.

What is iPodlounge's position on the Audio Defect? Our concern is first and foremost for our readers, and we take pains to promote iPods and related products that provide the most trouble-free and positive experiences for our readers. iPodlounge informed Apple Computer of its findings immediately after discovery in an effort to minimize the Defect's impact upon iPod users, and provided its own affected units to Apple for testing. In the absence of further official comment from Apple, iPodlounge continues to consider this issue a serious one, and thereby reluctantly but strongly cautions its readers to purchase their 4G iPods only from retailers with complete return policies, or to hold off on 4G iPod purchases until Apple confirms that the issues are being addressed.
 

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I just made the purchase.:\o/ I bought the Gen 3 one. The light up buttons and no moving parts will surely get me laid anywhere I take it.:cool: The 4th Gens have too many problems right now, and isn't as visually pleasing.:tdown:
 

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Just to clear up a few things. I have a 20GB 4th gen. No audio defects at all. The defect was a manufacturing problem not a flaw in the design itself and I believe the bad batch has been quarantined so if you're buying new it shouldn't be a problem. Personally, it stressed me to decide whether to take the risk. (I didn't get it ingraved in fear of having difficulties returning it) ... but I'm definitely glad I did take the risk.

I wonder if Apple decided to maximize their profits by making the G4 less tech by removing the touch system, and replacing it with clickable buttons.

The 4th gen still has the touch system on the wheel. i.e. scrolling your finger in a circle to navigate the menus. Pressing the four compass points of the wheel take the place of the 4 buttons on the top of the 3rd gen. It definitely would have been nice to have light-up click-wheels in the 4th gen but I'm guessing it was a battery eater. Plus, if you don't have the minimalistic button posisitions memorized by the second day then ... well ... you're dumb :p

For me, battery life is extremely important. (Sony's HD walkman would be my pick for its battery life if it wasn't for some other glaring issues). I'm not sure how prices are exactly but when Apple intoduced the 4G, they cut prices (while also cutting back on some of the standard extras ... they did add a USB cable into the mix though so if you are without firewire that'll save you some more)

Basically there were very few large changes. I wouldn't upgrade a perfectly working 3rd gen but if you're getting your first one I'd prolly recommend the 4th gen if only because Apple will most likely stop offering firmware upgrades and the like for the 3rd gen.

Either way, no matter which gen you get you should be happy. (And there's also the HP ipod option ;)) laff
 

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BesigedB said:
It's like the battery in your phone, it will be eventually loose it's charge-holding capacity. Just snap off the case to replace it.


So. You cant have a spare battery in a charger stand?
Then replace the dead one in a couple of seconds.

Im kind of Ipod dumb. But if the unit is portable, then the batteries should be portable too.....Like in most cameras and handheld game systems.
 

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A lot of the portable media players are like that, just like cell phones. Who swaps out their cell phone battery when it needs to be charged? Heck, GameBoy Advance is the same too.
 

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maybe I should get one too, looks really handy and moving without music through the world is no good thing
I'll wait for the gen 5 :)
(I expect the gen 5 to be the result of the best things of the gen 3 and gen 4)
 

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What is the cheapest/easiest way to replace the battery? Do you really have to pay $99 to have it replaced? Is it possible to buy the battery elsewhere and install it yourself? If so how much does the standalone battery cost and where can you purchase it?
 

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ZenPirate said:
A lot of the portable media players are like that, just like cell phones. Who swaps out their cell phone battery when it needs to be charged? Heck, GameBoy Advance is the same too.

just that the battery of my cellphone runs easily for an entire week without recharging and then a bit more ;)
 

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Twisted Metal said:
What is the cheapest/easiest way to replace the battery? Do you really have to pay $99 to have it replaced? Is it possible to buy the battery elsewhere and install it yourself? If so how much does the standalone battery cost and where can you purchase it?
if you don't mind opening up your ipod and voiding the warranty there is: http://www.ipodbattery.com/