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Who do you want to win this election?

Discussion in 'Off Topic' started by Gambit84, Oct 29, 2008.

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Who do you want to win this election?

Poll closed Nov 4, 2008.
  1. Obama-Biden

    69 vote(s)
    65.7%
  2. McCain-Palin

    14 vote(s)
    13.3%
  3. Jackal

    10 vote(s)
    9.5%
  4. The People

    11 vote(s)
    10.5%
  5. Ron Paul

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  6. Bob Barr

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  7. Ralph Nader

    1 vote(s)
    1.0%
  8. Cynthia McKinney

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  9. Pat Paulsen

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  1. tool

    tool BuFs #1 mom

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    Whatever, you Bush apologist just dont have anything good to defend Bush's failures with. because theres nothing to defed him with. Why do you guys even bother? :lol:
     
  2. Larkin

    Larkin Gone

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    I have already said in other threads why what you just said is stupid as hell. I don't really feel like going over the reality of time with you.
     
  3. tool

    tool BuFs #1 mom

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    Just copy and paste it because I havent seen anything from you. v:)v but whatever I doubt you have anything intelligent to say anyways. I mean the best you can do is post a stupid internet meme.

    The only intelligent republican on these forums is hal.

    the only reason why you are making a jackass out of yourself right now is because if it was a democrat president, you would be saying the samething I did. So just cut the bull****, okay?
     
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  4. Zarkazm

    Zarkazm <img src="http://forums.beyondunreal.com/images/sm

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    The Guardian.

    The time has finally come for the one true president of America to take his place at the head of his people!
     
  5. hal

    hal Dictator Staff Member

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    I'm not going to defend Bush. I'm just telling you why you're wrong.

    Oh yeah, and Jamie is a chick.
     
  6. Larkin

    Larkin Gone

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    Why would I assume that something that has been in the public eye sense Carters time would be all one man's fault because he didn't do something about it in nine months?

    That is essentially what you just said. Your bypassing the history of the terrorist problem and throwing all of that on Bush because of 9/11. Where is the blame for Carter, the first bush, Clinton, and all the presidents and people in government even before Carters time? Where is that blame?

    Second you are assuming that he can sure up security problems that have been there all this time and do so all in nine months? How is that even possible?

    And I didn't copy and paste it. I saved it first :p

    @Zarkazm: Wat? Obama a guardian? Why is that? Because he came up with the awesome idea of redoing failure ideas, but in a new country? Because he is against military, dismantling bombs like Nuclear weapons, and actually for decreasing funding for military and government research? Why is he a guardian? You guys are against lose of jobs but don't give a **** about these people? After all we are talking about 100,000 jobs if these programs disappeared and probably half would go if he gets what he wants.

    I won't go into his socialist failure ideas but why not look at Canada, how much they spend on healthcare and see what it covers. Then realize thats it equals 10.6% of its GDP, covers 70% of its people and has to basically do not much of anything for its people. That is not to mention that putting a cap on doctors salaries destroyed quality of healthcare in their country. Whatever though, ignore, ignore.
     
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  7. Lizard Of Oz

    Lizard Of Oz Demented Avenger

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    If you get a chance see the movie "Taxi To The Darkside".
     
  8. tool

    tool BuFs #1 mom

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    The only good thing and only thing ill miss about the Bush administration is his yearly christmas videos featuring his scottish terriers.
     
  9. pine

    pine Official Photography Thread Appreciator

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    And that's why arguing with you about this is impossible. The reality of dealing with 30 young students of different racial and economic backgrounds every day is something that has to be experienced firsthand.

    The first thing that needs to be understood here is that there's nothing inherently wrong with our school system. The problems in schools simply reflect the problems in society as a whole. Assuming that those problems can be fixed by administrative changes is as naieve as assuming that poverty can be cured by welfare. Do you see what I'm getting at with this analogy?

    Supporting the human element in teaching is the best thing you can do, imho.
     
  10. Gambit84

    Gambit84 New Member

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    A parent's involvement in a child's education is far more important than private school.
    That said, I think k-5 going the private route is the best way to go. Placing your kids in a classroom with a 30-1 student/faculty ratios during their most developmental years is not something to play around with.
     
  11. Balton

    Balton The Beast of Worship

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    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Guardian *sigh* oh larkin... what do you know?
     
  12. Jackal

    Jackal Crapass

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    I will soon make my political speech about me winning the presidency.
     
  13. Larkin

    Larkin Gone

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  14. Sir_Brizz

    Sir_Brizz Administrator Staff Member

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    I see what you're getting at, and at it's base, I don't disagree with you.

    However, the voucher system only stands to improve that. Reduced public school teacher to student ratios should help with those kinds of problems, something which vouchers would do. I don't think administrative changes on a school-by-school level is needed to resolve the problems with public education, because the problems with public education come from farther up the totem pole than that.

    Every industry benefits from competition, and the "consumers" win out in the end. If there is a government sponsored monopoly, it doesn't benefit anyone.
     
  15. R34P3R

    R34P3R BUF Lurker

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    pine Official Photography Thread Appreciator

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    Public schools are not an industry, and students are not consumers!

    Competition brings out the best in a certain group, but it also creates winners and losers. A fair educational system needs to create equal opportunities across the board. My concern about vouchers, and I am sure it's a legitimate one, is that the neglected schools will become even more neglected. That would deepen the problems that already exist, rather than fixing them. It would reinforce racial and class differences. If our objective is to create an egalitarian society, which it should be, we need to first apply that logic to our government policies and that includes schools.

    Some things can only be done properly by the government, and history has undoubtedly proven this. Education is one of those things.
     
  17. R34P3R

    R34P3R BUF Lurker

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    I want schools to give cash prizes for good grades and good test scores.
    It'll motivate the kids with lower grades, and give the kids with good grades a reason to keep on going.
     
  18. Crotale

    Crotale _________________________ _______________

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    As a taxpayer and a parent, I see education as more of a social than political issue. I agree with President-elect Obama in that we parents need to take more responsibility and not solely expect teachers to educate our children on their own. Until parents collectively take on a more responsible role, throwing more taxpayer monies at our education system is likened to throwing money at the wishing well. It makes you feel good when you do it, but the results are left up to chance. Do we want to gamble with our children's futures?

    As for those schools that are below average in performance and funding, do we take monies from the above average schools and redistribute that wealth? How will that solve the issues plaguing our school systems?
     
  19. Peavey

    Peavey Rattus Norvegicus

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    :tup: See, this is exactly what is wrong with America. Any idiot can breed, but it takes a REAL responsibility to raise a child properly. All too often I see couples who have children, but the parents still think they can go out and act like immature ****ing high schoolers - fancy cars, trendy clubs, alcoholism, etc. I work at a lake and all too often I have parents come back in at sunset, and they're WASTED, thinking their children don't notice or care... it's sad.
     
  20. pine

    pine Official Photography Thread Appreciator

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    I meant to reply to this earlier cuz I wanted to apologize for assuming that you didn't know much about education. The thing is, when someone makes a blanket statement like that - "somebody should fix this!!!" - it usually means they don't know what they're talking about.

    I think if we sat down and talked about this we really wouldn't have anything to disagree about.
     

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