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We want TAVOR!

Discussion in 'New Version Suggestions' started by carnivore, May 8, 2001.

  1. Persuter

    Persuter New Member

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    Actually, in terms of countries that should or should not have their own weapons factories:

    Israel probably shouldn't, since after all, if they stop receiving massive military and political aid from the United States, they'll cease to exist within a few years anyway. Though they have a good military, they are over a thousand miles from any friendly country, and there are several large and fairly rich countries that are more than willing to go to war with them. On the other hand, Israel is getting that massive aid, so why not spend it on weapons? "You can't have too many tanks to blow up hotels, too many helicopters to fire missiles at crowded streets, or too many guns to fire into crowds indiscriminately" is the IDF's motto!
     
  2. Rowley

    Rowley New Member

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    Oh yeah? Not a single European (except Netherlands who uses Canadian Diemaco) country uses M16's or any other US firearms. In fact you use our weapons (Beretta, SAW, SIG-Sauer), and how come that a rabidly patriotic country like US does that? Because European guns are, and have always been, better! Even the main armament on your M1 Abrams is designed by German Rheinmetall.
     
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  3. Dr.Dase

    Dr.Dase New Member

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    European guns are surely not better just like that....it's the fact that we have companies like Fabrique National, Heckler & Koch, Beretta, SIG etc.....

    In the USA, there isn't a need for lots of arms companies, because they only need one rifle, in Europe, every country wants it's own weapons, or at least was, when these companies were founded.
     
  4. Rowley

    Rowley New Member

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    Sure! Its the fact that European manufacturing in general (whether its cars, furniture, clockworks or whatever) is simply better than on the other side of the ocean.
     
  5. carnivore

    carnivore Built For The kill

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    "You can't have too many tanks to blow up hotels, too many helicopters to fire missiles at crowded streets, or too many guns to fire into crowds indiscriminately" is the IDF's motto!

    Listen *******, i bet that you are one of those stupid people that watch cnn and think that this is reality-well it isnt!
    If you knew what was going on in here you would never post that stupid replay of yours.
    and just to inform you, today two 14 year old kids were kidnaped and murdered by stones by phalestinians.
    Ant have you herd about the baby that was shot by a phalastinian sniper???, im sure not,
    so dont bul**** me about shooting civilian ok!?

    This ISN'T the topic of this post, the question is about the Tavor, will it be in the game or not?
     
  6. unixman

    unixman [pthread] The Clan of One

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    "If you knew what was going on in here you would never post that stupid replay of yours.
    and just to inform you, today two 14 year old kids were kidnaped and murdered by stones by phalestinians.
    Ant have you herd about the baby that was shot by a phalastinian sniper???, im sure not,
    so dont bul**** me about shooting civilian ok!?"

    -- C@RN!VORE

    Propaganda, propaganda, and more propaganda! Also, somebody needs to learn to spell.

    Okay, now that I've addressed that. :-D

    I think I would rather have another MP5 and the M4 both, so there!
     
  7. Rowley

    Rowley New Member

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    Can you speak other languages except your mommy's, Unixman? I doubt it.
    I bet mr. C@RN!VORE can! I would guess 3 or more!
    But then again, you being american, i bet it never dawned on you that other languages are spoken in the world. (and american-english sounds ****e anyway when compared to real english, you even cant speak yer own tongue properly.)
     
  8. Snakeye

    Snakeye Mk82HD

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    C@RN!VORE calm down; this seems to have been a one timer, and sometimes they only come up to disturb the mostly civilized discussion climate over here - though some of them also make sensible posts.

    I heard about the two 14-year-olds being killed, it was in the news here yesterday, but we also get many reports about Palestinian teenagers and even babies being killed by Israeli soldiers, tanks and helicopters. It is my impression, that there are more Palestinians killed than Israelis, though it's possible it just looks that way in the news.

    IMO there is no sense in blameing the other side for killing some kids while the own side does that too; that way the violence in Middle East won't end, but as it looks it isn't supposed to end anyway.
    The main problem is, that after WWII the Israelis took over the territory of the Palestinians(I won't start any discussion wheter or not the Israelis belonged there hundreds of years ago, that's not the root of nowadays problems) and since then led many wars to expand their territories. Now Israel is surrounded by more or less hostile countries, which use terrorism as their prime mean of attack. So the Israelis make military operations targeted against terrorists mainly, which sooner or later have to hit civilians too; that's a good excuse for more terroristic activites, which lead to more anti-terrorist operations, which lead to...I suppose that's the problem, and blameing the opposite side to be responsible for all and everything doesn't help - on the contrary, it makes the situation even worse.

    enough of that..

    About the TAR21 being added to INF:
    I suppose not within the next months. Though the team always comes up with surprises and there are always rumors about weapons being added(G36C was such a surprise and there were some rumors about the AUG - though Gryphon and ShakKen hate it..), so wait and see and enjoy the weapons we already have and the ones we're getting..

    Snakeye :D
     
  9. Snakeye

    Snakeye Mk82HD

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    And Rowley is right. I've seen worse grammar and spelling by some US members. In fact most of those, who don't have English as native language make (grammatically) better posts than many of the US, especially those who think they have to write how they talk..

    Snakeye :D
     
  10. Luminuis

    Luminuis Herald of the Newest Dawn

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    Excuse me, but why did the IDF do all those things? Because the PLO sent Bus Bombs down Crowded streets to kill Isarelis? Why does the IDF shoot at Palestinians, because they throw rocks at the IDF, the IDF also tends to shoot rubber bullets, and do they Palestinians stop? Not that I've seen. And Excuse me if I am totally incorrect in my geography, but Europe is over 1,000 miles from Israel? and Egypt is the same? I didn't think Egypt was against the Israelis, I guess I might be wrong, and if you think the neigboring countries of israel are large then you're wrong, and is Lebanon masivley rich? If so I'
    d liek to know what it is rich in, I'd also like to know the GDPs and GNPs for the countries neighboring Israel, and maybe the literacy rates.


    I'm sorry, but I myself am a Zionist, and I must state that I STRONGLY disagree with wat you said Persuter.
     
  11. Snakeye

    Snakeye Mk82HD

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    Wonderful, that's exactly the attitude I meant:
    I don't think this leads anywhere, but to more violence. Apart from that I think(my personal opinion) that fireing 5.56mm rounds at people throwing stones is a very lame excuse, there have to be other ways.

    The main problem Israel will get sooner or later with such a policy, is that more and more countries will be against such policy, which could lead to political consequences - here in Austria we got boycotted for electing a government, which consists of two parties, and one of them has a few right-wing politicians in it. Now if this is a reason to boycot a country, I suppose the prolonged use of violence might be a reason too. But then Austria is not Israel, we were on the loser side of WWII..

    Snakeye :D
     
  12. Nerf Herder

    Nerf Herder The Scruffy Looking Man

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    Rocks can be as deadly as guns. Think about it. 100 people are screaming insults at you and pelting you with rocks. It hurts, and who knows when one of them may throw a molotov or pull a gun from under a jacket.

    Those of us sitting back in cushy chairs at our computers shouldn't be deciding the fate of people who in general have nothing to do with us.

    I personally respect the Israelis and the IDF. They've defended themselves from several attacks from foreigners. And the time they invaded Egypt. Guess why that was? The french and english governments wanted them too. All three started that then Eisenhower had NATO comdemn the actions.

    And don't start this "You americans blah blah blah" bull. There are stupid people in any country anywhere. No matter how nice and peaceful the rest of the people are. I'm an American and personally I rather like it.


    The POINT of this topic was to discuss the Tavor TAR-21 on it's own merits. The rest of this stuff is just stupid politics that have no need to be discussed here.

    I would like to see the TAR-21 in game eventually. I think it'd make a different addition to the game.
     
  13. Rowley

    Rowley New Member

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    and this fact, my friend, still has EXTREMELY huge consequences in our world...
    ahh, the topic, yes i would like to see Tavor in INF.
     
  14. Snakeye

    Snakeye Mk82HD

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    I know rocks can be deadly - the two Israeli teens were killed with stones and rocks(if I'm informed correctly, which I usually doubt, I don't believe what the news say..), but there have to be better ways than rifle rounds; I mean tear-gas etc proved to be quite successful against unprotected, and I suppose when someone throws stones, he doesn't have a gas-mask.

    I too have the greatest respect for the IDF, they are among the best in the world, but that doesn't mean everything they do is right (anyone remember the Wehrmacht??) and shooting into populated areas with tanks and rockets doesn't seem a good anti-terrorist measure to me.

    And if I might add, the IDF WERE the foreigner in 1947(or was it 1948??). That the NATO/Western countries supported their wars is obvious - M60 tanks, Centurions etc weren't built in Israel(though heavily modified there).

    Snakeye :D

    PS: Just read that again, and want to clarify:
    I do NOT compare the IDF to the Wehrmacht (or any Nazi organisation); I just wanted to point out that an excellent military force doesn't always do the right things..
     
  15. DeadeyeDan[ToA]

    DeadeyeDan[ToA] de oppresso liber

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    "Not a single European (except Netherlands who uses Canadian Diemaco) country uses M16's or any other US firearms."

    IIRC, the SAS uses M4s. Just in case you didn't know, the SAS is British, and arguably the best special operations group in the world.
     
  16. Nerf Herder

    Nerf Herder The Scruffy Looking Man

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    I personally want to see an M4 in. I just want the Tavor TAR-21 as well.
     
  17. Luminuis

    Luminuis Herald of the Newest Dawn

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    The more guns the merrier, give us an M4, and an M4 Spec-Ops edition! (that is so awesome, so many damn attachments, scope, laser, flashlight...ehehehe!)


    And how about a big shoulde rmounted RL while we're at it?
     
  18. DarkBls

    DarkBls Inf Ex-admin

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    I agree :D
     
  19. Luminuis

    Luminuis Herald of the Newest Dawn

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    And how about the M60, a G8 and a Steyr AUG-HBAR! (all SAW/GPMG)

    And now some SMGS...:
    FN P90 5.7x28mm

    FN P90-SD 5.7x28mm

    HK 53A3 5.56x45mm

    HK MP5/10 10x25mm

    HK MP5/10-SD 10x25mm

    HK MP5/40 .40 S&W

    HK MP5/40-SD .40 S&W

    HK MP5A4 9x19mm

    HK MP5K-PDW 9x19mm

    HK MP5K-PDW-SD 9x19mm

    HK MP5SD5 9x19mm

    HK PDW 4.6x30mm

    HK UMP45 .45 ACP

    HK UMP45-SD .45 ACP

    IMI Uzi 9x19mm

    IMI Tavor Micro 5.56x45mm

    VZ61 Skorpion 7.65x17mm

    Z-M LR300 M/L 5.56x45mm

    And also some ARs:Kalashnikov AK-47 7.62x39mm

    Kalashnikov AKM 7.62x39mm

    Kalashnikov AKS-74 5.45x39mm

    Beretta AR70/90 5.56x45mm

    CIS SAR21 5.56x45mm

    Colt M16A2 5.56x45mm

    Colt M4A1 5.56x45mm

    Colt M4A1 SOPMOD 5.56x45mm

    Colt M4A1-SP 5.56x45mm

    Colt M4A1-SD .300 Whisper

    Diemaco C7A1 5.56x45mm

    Enfield L85A1 5.56x45mm

    FA MAS G2 5.56x45mm

    HK G11K3 4.92x34mm

    HK G36/7 7.62x51mm

    HK G36K 5.56x45mm

    HK G3A3 7.62x51mm

    HK G3KA4 7.62x51mm

    IMI Tavor 5.56x45mm

    KAC SR25K-SP "Widow Maker" 7.62x51mm

    KAC SR25K-SD "Widow Maker" .338 Whisper

    M14 7.62x51mm

    SIG 551-SWAT 5.56x45mm

    Steyr ACR 5.56mm Flechette

    Steyr AUG A2 5.56x45mm

    Steyr AUG A2-SP 5.56x45mm

    Vektor CR21 5.56x45mm

    Z-M LR300 SR 5.56x45mm

    and how about some more shotties?:

    Franchi SPAS-12 12 Gauge

    Franchi SPAS-15 12 Gauge

    Neostead NS2000 12 Gauge

    Pancor Jackhammer 12 Gauge

    And for all those Snipers:

    Accuracy Int. L96A1 7.62x51mm

    Accuracy Int. AWS-SP 7.62x51mm

    Acc. Int. AWM - Super Magnum .338 Lapua Mag

    Barrett M82A1 12.7x99mm

    Dragunov SVD 7.62x54mmR

    Remington M700 AWR 7mm Remington Magnum

    Steyr Scout 7.62x51mm

    T.C.I. M89-SP 7.62x51mm

    Walther WA2000 .300 Win Mag

    And now all thos handgun freaks!:
    Beretta 92FS 9x19mm

    Beretta 92FS-SD 9x19mm

    Beretta Cougar 8045F .45 ACP

    Colt M1911A1 .45 ACP

    CZ 100B 9x19mm

    FN FiveseveN 5.7x28mm

    FN FiveseveN-SD 5.7x28mm

    FN GP35 (HP) 9x19mm

    Glock 18C 9x19mm

    Glock 20 10x25mm

    Glock 20-SD 10x25mm

    Glock 31 .357SIG

    HK Mark 23 .45 ACP

    HK Mark 23-SD .45 ACP

    HK USP .40 S&W

    HK USP-SD .40 S&W

    MRI Desert Eagle .357 Magnum

    MRI Desert Eagle .50 AE

    S&W Sigma 40E .40 S&W

    SIG P220 .45 ACP

    SIG P226 .40 S&W

    Revolvers

    Taurus Raging Bull .454 Casull




    Sorry for any repitions of guns already on the armory list, I just copied this off my friends CT site.
     
  20. Luminuis

    Luminuis Herald of the Newest Dawn

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    Better list!

    Here's a better list on a different friends site:

    Primary weapons.


    22LR
    Sturm Ruger 10/22 (Sniper Rifle)
    7.65mm
    SKORPION
    SKORPION/SD
    5.7x28mm
    FN P90 ver2
    FN P90/SD ver2
    9mm
    HK MP5-PWD ver2.0
    HK MP5-PDW/SD
    HK MP5A4 ver2.0
    HK MP5A4/SD
    HK MP5A2 Sure-Fire
    HK MP5SD5 ver2.0
    IMI UZI ver2.0
    IMI UZI/SD Wood Stock
    Colt M16 9mmSMG
    M45 Swedish-K SMG ver2.0
    M45 Swedish-K SMG/SD
    Bizon SMG
    S&M M76 SMG
    Beretta M12S SMG
    Colt M635 SMG
    M635/SD Beretta
    WALTHER MPK
    AUG-9mm SMG
    L2A3
    L34A1SD
    INGRAM M11(MAC11)
    HK MP5K
    HK MP5SD4
    HK MP5SD6
    HK MP5A4/SD Tactical
    HK MP5SD 1977
    HK MP5A3

    9mmx18
    KILN SMG
    10mm
    H&K MP10A2 ver2.0
    H&K MP10A2/SD ver2.0
    45ACP
    H&K UMP ver2.0
    H&K UMP/SD ver2.0
    M1A1 SMG
    9mmx39VSS
    9-A-91 SMG
    5.56x45mm
    Colt M16A2 ver2.0
    Colt M16+M203 ver3
    Colt M4A1 ver2.0
    Colt M4A1/SD ver2.0
    Colt M4A1+Beta C-MAG
    Colt M4A1 Master Key
    HK G36K ver3
    STEYR AUG ver2.0
    SIG 551SWAT ver2.0
    FA-MAS F1 ver2.0
    GALIL-ARM ver2.0
    GALIL-SAR ver2.0
    GALIL-MAR
    Sturm Ruger Mini14 ver2.0
    FN FNC ver2.0
    AR18
    H&K 53
    STONER 63A
    FN MINIMI ver2.0
    M249-PARA ver2.0
    Colt XM177E2
    Z-M Weapon LR300ML
    M4A1 SOP-MOD
    M4A1/SD SOP-MOD
    M4A1 with M203
    TYPE 89Rifle
    Stoner XM23Rifle
    SIG551Rifle
    SA80 Carbine
    RUGER AC-556 RIFLE
    DAEWOO K2 ASSAULT RIFLE
    Bushmaster SMG
    Bushmaster/SD SMG
    HK33E
    HK33E SG-1
    M16A1 20roundsType
    M16A1 30roundsType
    AK5
    G36
    STONER SR-16
    HK GR2S Rifle
    SR88A
    SCS70/90
    M16A3
    HK G36C CARBINE

    5.45mm
    Kalashnikov AK74 ver2.0
    AK74+Grenade Launcher
    AKS74U Krinkov ver2.0
    7.62x39mm
    Kalashnikov AK47S ver2.0
    Kalashnikov AK47 ver2.0
    Kalashnikov AK47M
    Kalashnikov RPK
    Type86 Rifle
    SAKO M90
    TYPE56 Rifle

    7.62x51mm
    H&K G3A3 ver2.0
    HK G3A3/SD
    H&K G3A3 Grenade Launcher
    H&K G3 SG-1
    FN FAL ver2.0
    M14 ver2.0
    STONER SR-25 (Sniper Rifles)
    STONER SR-25/SD(Sniper Rifles)
    H&K PSG-1(Sniper Rifles)
    M60 ver2
    M60E3 ver2.0
    FN MAG
    M134 MINI GUN ver2.0
    H&K MSG90(Sniper Rifles)
    L96A1(Sniper Rifles)
    Mauser M93 (Sniper Rifles)
    TYPE 64Rifle
    PGM UR-COMMANDO2 SNIPER RIFLE
    PGM UR-COMMANDO2 SNIPER RIFLE/SD
    M24 SNIPER RIFLE
    HK MC51 SMG
    M21 SNIPER RIFLE
    AW Covert

    30-06
    M1 Garand
    BAR
    7.62x54mm
    DRAGUNOV
    300 Winchester
    WA2000(Sniper Rifles)
    4.73X33mm(Caseless)
    H&K G11 K2
    50 Browning
    BARRET M95(Sniper Rifles)
    12g Shotguns
    Ithaca M37
    Benelli M1
    Benelli M4
    SPAS12
    Street Sweeper
    USAS12
    M870
    BENELLI M3

    40mmGrenade
    M79 ver2.0
    MGL-MK1


    Secondary or backup weapons:




    K-BAR U.S.M.C Knife
    STRIDER Combat Knife
    22LR
    Sturm Ruger Mk2/SD
    5.7x28mm
    FN Five-Seven ver2.0
    FN Five-Seven/SD ver2.0
    38SP
    S&W M36 Chiefs Special
    New Nanbu Pistol
    S&W M10
    380ACP
    Beretta84F
    9mm
    Beretta 92FS ver2.0
    Beretta 92FS/SD ver2.0
    Beretta 92FS INOX ver2.0
    Double 92F INOX ver2.0
    Beretta 93R
    Beretta 93R/SD
    SIG226 ver2
    WALTHER P99
    Cz75 ver2.0
    Browning Hi-PowerMk3 ver2
    Glock17 ver2.0
    H&K P7M13
    Luger P08
    Walther P38
    Mauser M1916Mauser
    M1932+Stock/Holster
    Mini UZI/SD ver2.0
    STEYR TMP/SD ver2
    STEYER TMP
    Beretta92F Brigadier Elite
    SIG P210
    UZI-Pistol
    IMI Jericho941

    9mmx18
    Makarov
    Stechkin (APS)
    Stechkin+Stock (APS)
    Stechkin/SD (APB)
    0.40
    Cz100
    Glock35
    H&K USP40 ver2.0
    H&K USP40/SD ver2.0
    7.62mmx25
    Tokarev
    45ACP
    H&K Mk23 ver2.0
    H&K Mk23/SD ver2.0
    M1911A1
    FBI-SP
    Beretta M8045 ver2
    M3 Grease Gun SMG
    S&W M6405
    357 Magnum
    Colt PYTHON ver3
    Colt King Cobra
    S&W M19(Combat Magnum)
    MATEBA M2006
    Desert Eagle
    Colt ANACONDA/Camo with Scope
    44 Magnum
    S&W M29 ver2
    44 AUTO MAG
    Ruger Super BlackHawk
    454 Casull
    TAURAS Raging Bull
    12g Shotguns
    Thunder Five
    Ithaca M37S
    4.6x30mm
    H&K PDW ver2.0
    5.56x45mm
    Rocky Mountain Patriot Pistol
    7.62x51mm
    Lone Eagle
    Others
    Master Key ShotGun
    M203 Grenade Launcher
    M203 Grenade Launcher
    AK Grenade Launcher
    H&K79 Grenade Launcher
     

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