Vegatarianism
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I eat hardly any meat.
Fish and poultry and eggs, though.
basically I cut it down to: "inteligent mammals shouldn't eat other mammals."
Fish and poultry and eggs, though.
basically I cut it down to: "inteligent mammals shouldn't eat other mammals."
Nature or animals care **** for fair chances and so do I. Fair chances are for sports and games; when it come to survival issues (and most others too, actually) I prefer to maximize my chances and minimize my opponens' if there is one.
I fail to see the heroism in when a lions stalks a hoard of antilopes; if it knew a trick to get any prey ha wanted it'd choose the strongest and biggerst, not a small, weak or old one that can't get away.
And our status as crown of evultion is proven exactly by the fact that we can ensure our survival. You propose to willingly go back to a stage where we have to fight for it? Great idea, Wolfie.
quite insultive considering you imply we who eat other mammals aren't intelligent without giving reasons to justify your statement.
You eat hardly any meat? Why at all if you got so superior ethics?
I hereby declare you hypocrite.
but it would be a trick the lion would have to use. hence "cheating". the food-chain is a very, very carefully balanced affair. if any lion could sucessfully kill any antillope, there wouldn't be any antillopes left. nature took care not to have the whole "health-range" of antilopes available to the lions.
irregardless of whether or not we are crown of evolution, we could easily make sure our survival without feeding upon virtually each and every animal out there.
the "hardly" is because of things like "traces of meat" in some dishes.
I do not eat things where meat is like 100% of it: sausages, burgers, roast beef, schnitzel, and the like...
I do eat meat if there's like a little bit of say ham on a baguette, otherwise consisting only of bread, and cheese, and tomatoes, and paprika, and whatnot.
though even here I usually go for the tuna-baguettes, or the quattro formaggi baguettes.
and "inteligent mammals" was aimed more at the species as a whole, rather than individuals thereof. plus it prolly should have said something like "thinking mammals should see the lack of need to eat other mammals".
forgive my sh1337 inaptitude at phrasing.
Mxtrmntr
(Formerly known as Mxtrmntr)
"crown of the evolution" = :tdown:
There will be something after us, sooner or later. And, for example, ants are everywhere. We aren't Wouldn't be surprised if there were still ants left long after the end of mankind.
There will be something after us, sooner or later. And, for example, ants are everywhere. We aren't
Wouldn't be surprised if there were still ants left long after the end of mankind.
Originally posted by Rabid Wolf
but it would be a trick the lion would have to use. hence "cheating". the food-chain is a very, very carefully balanced affair. if any lion could sucessfully kill any antillope, there wouldn't be any antillopes left. nature took care not to have the whole "health-range" of antilopes available to the lions.
irregardless of whether or not we are crown of evolution, we could easily make sure our survival without feeding upon virtually each and every animal out there.
(...)
and "inteligent mammals" was aimed more at the species as a whole, rather than individuals thereof. plus it prolly should have said something like "thinking mammals should see the lack of need to eat other mammals".
forgive my sh1337 inaptitude at phrasing.
We also use 'tricks'. They are completly different from any trick a lion might use, but one of the most important tricks we use is the concept of farming. Thus control our supply of food. Very important to us. Without farming, we'd just eat away everything and then wonder why there is nothing left to eat. Our high population justifies farming. You do not really believe nature would just supply us with all the resources we need, do ya?
And as for the lion, nature didn't take care of anything. The lion evolved to hunt, the antilope evolved to run away. A balance.
But this balance wasn't "created by nature" so these animals could survive; those animals that live in balance are simply those that did survive, while others didn't.
We aren't particularly intelligent I fear, we just have an intellect, and not much of it besides. Your rephrasing didn't really make it sound less insultive, as now you say we don't see sense. We all know telligence is a complicated thing, and while there's a goodly number of intelligent people around, reasonability is often considered a more rare and precious value. So you still call us inferior
I think it has been made clear that many people are indeed not convinced by the theory we do no need to eat meat, and if it is true, it's still not as obvious as you claim.
And you could live as a true veg if you wanted, but you obviously don't care that much.
...in the end it all comes down to the old "we don't need meat" and "it's obvious we're right" arguments from veg side, while the carni's say "we need meat" and "science proves we're right"
What is clear is that there is a huge number of vegs who seem to do (well?) without meat.
But it has already been pointed out humans can compensate many maladies in such a way that it isn't obvious something is wrong. See smokers. Everyone knows it's not good, many suffer from the consequences, but at the same time some are as healthy as you can be and say "how is smoking unhealty? I feel great..."
So the argument of vegs are the living vegs which don't seem to suffer and die.
The contra-arguments were
1. the scientific knowledge we need certain substances which we cannot get from a veg diet, such as vitamin B12, Lysin etc.
2. certain illnesses linked to a veg diet.
Personally, I see a certain lack of response to 'our' arguments, 'cept in a very general way that boils down to "believe it or not"
Don't we get any points for not shredding and eating them alive?
That's all good, but I'm missing why fur/hair would matter to the position you state?
What a silly question. If other animals eat meat, then of course it's ok for humans to eat meat. What makes humans different that they shouldn't be able to eat meat? We are still apart of the food chain, although liberals are doing their damnest to sever our ties to natural selection.
"We are still apart of the food chain, although liberals are doing their damnest to sever our ties to natural selection. "
Yeah I know it's a typo ....but its a damn funny one
Also what's with the "liberals" bashing on this bbs ?
I like the fairly liberal society that I live in :\
Yeah I know it's a typo ....but its a damn funny one
Also what's with the "liberals" bashing on this bbs ?
I like the fairly liberal society that I live in :\
Its not a stupid question as 192 replys shows.
Liberals are generally seen as wishy-washy, "be nice to everyone" types who have ideas that sound good, but actually dont work...the sort that would have protested against Britain joining WW2...not all people with "liberal" views are by any means but thats what he means by the term.
Liberals are generally seen as wishy-washy, "be nice to everyone" types who have ideas that sound good, but actually dont work...the sort that would have protested against Britain joining WW2...not all people with "liberal" views are by any means but thats what he means by the term.
tounge in cheek bro
Ahh, quite the opposite to the hard-liners.... who come up with awful ideas and execute them in a similarly post haste fashion, because at least doing something is better than doing nothing.
Ahh, quite the opposite to the hard-liners.... who come up with awful ideas and execute them in a similarly post haste fashion, because at least doing something is better than doing nothing.
Mxtrmntr
(Formerly known as Mxtrmntr)
I'd definetely prefer a liberal government over our current Austrian conservative / right-wing government coalition...there are dangerous elements in one of those parties imo, and the other party didn't care about those as long as they could be in the government and provide the chancellor...
