UTAN to be integrated into UT:XMP

[IndianPsycho]

Dr. Sin already deals with this stuff and he's much closer to the underlying tech than FMI will ever be

FMI is much closer to the "underlying UTXMP tech" than Epic will ever be.

I don't trust everyone else to ban as carefully as we do, and I have no idea how FMI is going to decide exactly what evidence they need to setup bans, etc - is it good enough to have a screenie of the player using derogatory language? Or do they have to be botting, as shown in..a demo of what length?

A demorec which makes it absolutely clear a player is cheating, such as a 1st person demorec of a player whose crosshair is literally snapping from one player to the other in a nano second. If there's any doubt about whether a submitted cheater is actually cheating, he/she will not be globally banned. The plan is to set up some sort of mailing list for server admins to let them know which players have been globally banned (along with the "proof").

And, as said before, a demorec of a cheater does not give us their GUID; the server admin of the server where the demorec was taken would have to provide us with that.

We don't plan on globally banning anyone for using "derogatory language" and such.

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The main reason for integrating UTAN with UTXMP, is that U2XMP is of late literally filled with blatant cheaters. In U2XMP however, the best thing that was available was a IP ban, which is generally useless, and didn't help to fight the problem at all. We're hoping that migrating to UT2004 will increase the XMP playerbase, but that will also inevitably mean an increase in the "cheaterbase".
We just want to have this conrol in our own hands rather than in Dr. SiNs, simply because we feel we would be able to deal with it much faster than Dr. SiN ever could; aside from actually having a full time job, he has to administer the UT2004 GUID bans - do you really think he'll be able to invest much time into administering the GUID bans for one out of a thousand 2K4 MODs? We don't.
Not only that, it's a given fact that we have a much better and deeper understanding of the UT:XMP mod's mechanics/limits then Dr. SiN has or ever will have, and so will be better able to decide who is cheating and who is not.

 

[Killinya]

:tup: IndianPsyhco!

 

[Freakish]

FMI is much closer to the "underlying UTXMP tech" than Epic will ever be.



A demorec which makes it absolutely clear a player is cheating, such as a 1st person demorec of a player whose crosshair is literally snapping from one player to the other in a nano second. If there's any doubt about whether a submitted cheater is actually cheating, he/she will not be globally banned. The plan is to set up some sort of mailing list for server admins to let them know which players have been globally banned (along with the "proof").

And, as said before, a demorec of a cheater does not give us their GUID; the server admin of the server where the demorec was taken would have to provide us with that.

We don't plan on globally banning anyone for using "derogatory language" and such.

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The main reason for integrating UTAN with UTXMP, is that U2XMP is of late literally filled with blatant cheaters. In U2XMP however, the best thing that was available was a IP ban, which is generally useless, and didn't help to fight the problem at all. We're hoping that migrating to UT2004 will increase the XMP playerbase, but that will also inevitably mean an increase in the "cheaterbase".
We just want to have this conrol in our own hands rather than in Dr. SiNs, simply because we feel we would be able to deal with it much faster than Dr. SiN ever could; aside from actually having a full time job, he has to administer the UT2004 GUID bans - do you really think he'll be able to invest much time into administering the GUID bans for one out of a thousand 2K4 MODs? We don't.
Not only that, it's a given fact that we have a much better and deeper understanding of the UT:XMP mod's mechanics/limits then Dr. SiN has or ever will have, and so will be better able to decide who is cheating and who is not.

Thanks..that clears up a lot of the concerns I had. It sounds like you guys have thought this through pretty well. I wasn't aware that U2XMP had degenerated that badly...I stopped playing long ago when servers began disappearing and then the master server went down.

*still can't wait to ranger again*

 

[Limited]

To clarify one thing - so we can still install the full (non-integrated) version of UTAN? Will that deactivate the embedded version (ie install and config the full version to not use the global list), or will the embedded version always work in some capacity?

You can install the normal non-intergrated UTAN as if it was a normal server, it will however have no effect over the intergrated one, that will always function.

 

[[GDC]Faust]

Just that I get it right when we want to get rid of TKL-guys, we would have to install UTAN seperately and use our own list?

Suits me.