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United States ID Card

Discussion in 'Off Topic' started by {Ghetto_Ghepetto}, May 9, 2005.

  1. {Ghetto_Ghepetto}

    {Ghetto_Ghepetto} I am #1 Asian big boob queen!

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    Who saw this one coming? o_O

    http://news.com.com/FAQ+How+Real+ID+will+affect+you/2100-1028_3-5697111.html?tag=nefd.lede

    What do you guys think about this?
     
  2. Rostam

    Rostam PSN: Rostam_

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    I heard of this before (even on these forums ;)).
    Basicly the way I see it, if it would be everything in one (bank pass, credit card, ID etc etc) then it wouldn't be as bad assuming the security on those things are good. Otherwise, no.
     
  3. fist_mlrs

    fist_mlrs that other guy

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    but isn't centralizing all that information actually more of an issue? i've got a passport, id card, drivers license as well as an bank pass and i for shure would go rampage if all these informations would be stored in one single document.
     
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  4. Rostam

    Rostam PSN: Rostam_

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    You already got them all in your wallet, so when it comes to theft it's just as bad as it is now. If you mean that people can spy easier on you, I'd disagree. Everything you have is now in multiple documents, putting them all in one wouldn't change much.

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    You probably keep your passport at home (I don't have one). But in my case it would come in handy. And if you could still keep your passport (which must be the case or otherwise Americans won't be able to leave their country) then it's probably pretty much the same as you have right now, as well.
     
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  5. fist_mlrs

    fist_mlrs that other guy

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    my passport is at home and my drivers license is at my car's papers as well as my bank pass in an extra pocket. the only thing i carry with me all day is my id cars as, in combination with my student pass, it allows me to drive train/tram/bus for free and visit theaters/museums/cinemas cheaper. if all my data was stored in one location or all i could use to "prove" my identity i would run into a lot of problems. and of cource ppl could spy on me much easier if all was stored in one location. if you have to file a application to access one file it is much easier to success in a short time then if i have to call five different ministeries to do so. thats buerocracy working for you. i agree to combine passport and id card, but when it comes to my bank account the government isn't supossed to have access at all.
     
  6. Cap'n Beeb

    Cap'n Beeb Banned

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    Once again, the department of homeland security proves it's utter worthlessness and idiocy.
     
  7. Taque

    Taque Custom User Title

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    You guys don't know France, do you? Here, there are ID cards GALORE. It seriously seems like you need one to go grocery shopping ... In any case, French citizens have a very similar Federal ID to the one the US is proposing, and it actually turns out to be quite useful. It's accepted everywhere and no one can refuse it as valid ID.

    Just from skimming the article, it looks like it's purely an ID card - it doesn't have anything else to do with opening a bank account other than proving who you are. As for spying ... :con:
     
  8. ecale3

    ecale3 Sniper - May be harmful to your health.

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    I don't like the information the government has on me now. Those bastards know my name.
     
  9. JaFO

    JaFO bugs are features too ...

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    Wouldn't it be easier if they said that your passport = your 'official' Id ?

    It's certainly is easier as you can't rely on anyone having a drivers' license ...

    As for conspiracy-theories : I'm sure most people have tons of cards/id's they use for less practical stuff like getting a few cents worth of discounts in shops ...
    In fact I'm sure your average grocery knows far more about you (with even fewer restrictions as to its use) compared to your government.
     
  10. Keganator

    Keganator White as Snow Moderator

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    You guys, I actually wrote a huge article on this for my social and ethical issues in computer science course this semester. The main problem with this NOT that they're issuing 'standards' for ID cards.

    The main issue is the fact that it requires that these cards have an unspecified electronic component to them.

    If you would like to read about this in more detail, I've got my essay up on the web, right here. It goes into detail of what will probably happen, and some of the technologies that they might use.

    In my opinion, this is a bad, bad thing. The fact that all it requires a 'common' machine readable technology is even worse. Straight up, there is no need for this. It's reactionist and unnecessary, and will not make our country any safer than it currently is.

    WRONG! The 9/11 terrorists, and the Madrid bombers all used legally acquired national/real IDs for their activities. The new ID restrictions, new secruity measures for IDs, and so on, will not hamper someone with a real, regular ID (even with the new anti-counterfeiting components) from traveling.

    GOD NO! OH FOR THE LOVE OF GOD NO! I love the idea of my Height, weight, eye color, home address, full name, and driver's liscence number is broadcast to everyone and anyone around! I feel so secure with that!

    :stick: :mad:
     
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  11. ecale3

    ecale3 Sniper - May be harmful to your health.

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    I refuse. Its that simple.
     
  12. Jagdtiger

    Jagdtiger [UMC]Shadow

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    You can leave the country now. It's that simple.
     
  13. 5eleven

    5eleven I don't give a f**k, call the Chaplain

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    Keg, did you actually just post and quote your own essay as a news story? Holy crap. :lol:
     
  14. ant75

    ant75 aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

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    I don't think the problem is that of having one card instead of several in your wallet, it's rather on the other end, that of the gouvernment having all your datas in one single file system. I don't how it is currently working in the US so i can't tell how much of a change it would represent to the current system, but in france it would probably not be accepted. As taque said, we mainly use our federal ID, but that doesn't mean that the data that is on your driving license is accessible to the social security services for example. In fact we have a very strict regulation about personal data, which makes it really hard for different bureaus to exchange data without complicated legal procedures. Of course it's technically still possible, but is surely more difficult that if everything was centralized.
     
  15. Cap'n Beeb

    Cap'n Beeb Banned

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    If it were that simple, I would've done it already.
     
  16. Harrm

    Harrm I am watching porns.

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    I didn't know that was even possible until now.

    Keg does have valid points. But I think they can all be boiled down to the old argument "if someone wants to do something, they will find a way to do it, no matter the cost." I should also note that the US isn't particularly known for making terribly great economic and social decisions.

    --Harrm
     
  17. Arethusa

    Arethusa We will not walk in fear.

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    On the contrary, the Department of Homeland Security proves it's pretty fucking good at this. Let's take a look at a really fun section of this bill, which was, wait for it— actually an appropriations bill for Iraq with riders stappled on all over the place!

    Passed, 100 to nothin', baby.
     

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