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The Turbo B U G

Discussion in 'General' started by stevenhorton, Nov 13, 2005.

  1. stevenhorton

    stevenhorton Not of this World

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    I found this out a week or so ago while testing the new Unwheel vehicles, and Malibu-Barbie knew it too; but for how long I don't know:p The bug is just this, somehow using turbo, even a little blast, with lower your top speed for that entire level! The screenshot shows the speed/velocity with no turbo on the left, and after using turbo on ther right. In tight maps it gives no advantage, but on long straights, it a big difference. By the way, it took almost 30 seconds to reach a velocity of 5,200, that number only means something if you stay on the gas that long.
     

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  2. $n][pErMan

    $n][pErMan UnWheel Server Guru!

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    hehe ... wierd. Always wondered why MB won everytime in desertx ;)
     
  3. $n][pErMan

    $n][pErMan UnWheel Server Guru!

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    On the plus side .. another badass burnout!! At one point... 1 away from a full house :D ;)
     

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  4. craze

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    *grumbles*
     
  5. Malibu Barbie

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    Doh! You gave it away! ;)

    I found out about this some time ago, but didn't have to look at whatever it was you looked at to notice it. If you don't use the turbo, your top speed is slower, but your average speed is faster. This is good in maps where you can stay at full speed the entire time. The only time it makes sense to use turbo is on maps where you have to slow way down, then accelerate again, and so on. Without the turbo, it takes too long to get back to speed, so you must use it on tight maps. Also, if you are on a non-turbo map and either crash or miss a gate, you may need to use the turbo in order to get back to speed, unless you have a huge lead.

    Great, now everyone knows the secret of BarbieBot 3.6! ;)
     
  6. JamesBong

    JamesBong 'JeeP' addict

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    thats just......... wrong! the whole point of turbo is to go faster :rolleyes:

    put 2 cars side by side, same make, model, engine etc etc ... except one has a nitrous fed carb/injection whoz gonna win?

    this needs fixed for new version. nuff said
     
  7. Malibu Barbie

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    NOOOOOOOOOOooooooooooooooo....................
     
  8. $n][pErMan

    $n][pErMan UnWheel Server Guru!

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    ya .. no kidding! The downside of the turbo should be lack of control.. not lack of speed .. lol ;)
     
  9. Malibu Barbie

    Malibu Barbie Action Figure

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    It does give you more speed, but only in the short run. Lets say you're running at 8 BISM (Barbie Imaginary Speed Measurement). Then when you use the turbo, your speed shoots up to 10 BISM. But once your turbo charge ends, your speed drops to 5 BISM. So the person using the turbo will be doing 10 for about 25% of the time, and 5 for the remaining 75%. While the person not using turbo will be doing 8 during for the entire map, thus keeping a higher average speed, as long as they don't slow down too often. So on maps where you can keep going at full speed the entire time, as long as you race a clean line, you can keep a higher average speed. That's my trick on Desertic, Tundra Trainrace, Lost Gods, and so on. I just play a conservative game in order not to crash, and don't use the turbo in order to keep a high average speed. Of course this doesn't work if you start crashing left and right, or start going off course during the turns. I slow down at turns, just enough to keep my line, but not enough to lose momentum.

    I noticed this after getting tired of crashing my beetle in Midnight Air every time I used the turbo. I decided to do a race without touching the turbo, and noticed the the car was not only easier to control, but also faster overall. Others could easilly pass me by using the turbo, but then I could regain position either once their turbo ran out, or when they crashed at the turns.

    Malibu "this one goes up to 11" Barbie
     
  10. Malibu Barbie

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    Forgot to mention one thing that always cracked me up. On all maps, we all start at the same speed (assuming the same vehicle). On the non turbo maps, I used to enjoy seeing all of you start with me, then going for your turbos the very first moment it became available, thus pulling a big lead over me. I enjoyed that because it meant you would eventually slow down, and as long as I got a clean pass (something impossible to do when craze was in the game by the way), I would leave you eating my dust. But Desertic is the map that made me laugh. We all start together, with all the cars actually touching one another. But then, once you all hit your turbos, you carry me along with you since all the cars are locked together! Then once your turbo charge is gone, I just sprint ahead. But that's not all. By the time we get to the first corner, I slow down to about 5 or 6, and that's about the time everyone else's turbo charge is ready to go again. So you all hit that turbo button, get to the corner way too fast, and go spinning off while I increase my lead. ;)

    Ahhhhhh... Those were the days........ ;)
     
  11. Malibu Barbie

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    Ps: its not a bug, it an "undocumented feature"! ;)
     
  12. Shrimp

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    WHAAAAAAT???!!!

    This only comes to light now, after a year of weekly Burnouts and extensive turbo use and testing?

    /me fires everyone

    /me fires himself for making the bug

    /me deletes all UnWheel code since nobody's left to work on it.


    Anyway, I'll take a look. That's a pretty big bug I'd say :p. Probably hasn't been noticed because everyone's using the turbo all the time anyway ;).
     
  13. Malibu Barbie

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    I noticed it after just a couple of weeks of playing. I can't believe you folks never did, and it took one of you spectating me to notice that I don't use the turbo on high speed maps. And I did give quite a few hints about it too! How many times when we played that I pointed out that you're all too adicted to turbo? ;)

    For quite a while, I was doing all of the maps and game types without ever using the turbo, but it doesn't quite work. So now I use the turbo everywhere except on the very high speed race/rally maps.

    Actually, I think the game would be better off without the turbo all together. Far too many times I've been crashed into when I slow down for a turn, and the person behind me hits the turbo in order to pass me, thus forcing us both to crash. That was craze's driving method. Since he knew he couldn't catch you, he causes a crash, which gives him a 50% chance to end up in a better position after the crash instead of no chance of catching and making a clean pass. Without the turbo, the only way to win is to have better control of the car, not by taking the others out. As long as you don't make mistakes, others can't catch you.
     
  14. ProjectX

    ProjectX Nicholas 'ProjectX' Udell - UnWheel Maps

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    I disagree very strongly about that. I use turbo to make corners at high speeds. What you do is you oversteer around the turn, and then when the car aligns along the road again you hit turbo before it spins off in the wrong direction. The turbo will send you off straight without skidding, that way I can predictably and speedily exit turns.
     
  15. JamesBong

    JamesBong 'JeeP' addict

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    nah, it just needs fixed. :) :D

    i agree with PX, it saves my cornering abilities doing powerslides and aligning out the car in corners.

    its no wonder you were always at least half a lap in front of us all on certain levels :rolleyes:
     
  16. Shrimp

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    The bug, she is fixed ;).
     
  17. Malibu Barbie

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    grumblegrumblegrumble...... ;)

    Ps: Hey Steve! Remind me later to get back at you for exposing this! ;)
     
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  18. Malibu Barbie

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    The one who doesn't blow up before the end of the race due to excessive pressure inside the engine?
     
  19. $n][pErMan

    $n][pErMan UnWheel Server Guru!

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    Turbo will never die.... long live turbo!!! Turbo gives you a chance to win a race if you fall behind from a dumb mistake ... it also allows you to overtake people at turns by spining around the turn then hitting turbo to line up and break away ;)
     
  20. Malibu Barbie

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    Die, turbo, die!!!! ;)

    That's my whole point. The one with the fewer mistakes should be the one who wins.

    Again, maybe because I used to race cars back when I was young and stupid, I think that's a bad thing. I would prefer if the driver who exits the turn ahead is the driver who chose the better line and was able to control the car better during the turn. The whole concept of "sliding carelessly into a corner, then hitting a button to get you to go straight and faster" just seems wrong, and doesn't benefit the more precise drivers. Besides, in a real car throwing a huge boost while sliding around a corner is a sure way of crashing.
     

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