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The Next Unreal Tournament will be Great

Discussion in 'Unreal Tournament 3' started by Fuzz, Sep 25, 2008.

  1. Fuzz

    Fuzz Enigma

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    Leave it up to the peaceful pacifists. Remember to pray daily to all mighty Epic through whining and trolling. What else is there to do? Stow it and play the game!
     
  2. Shlomo

    Shlomo New Member

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    After the recent Cliffy B (**** you) comments about PC gamers in general, i've lost complete and total faith in the simple fact that Epic...

    1) Cares about the PC community
    2) Will make a game with the PC in mind

    Give it up guys, Epic doesn't want you anymore, go play games by other companies that want your business. Epic is abandoning the PC community, UT3 is the EOL game of their PC gaming department.
     
  3. Sir_Brizz

    Sir_Brizz Administrator Staff Member

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    Why does everyone think that what Cliffy says about the PC applies to all of Epic? Just because they released one PC game with a less than stellar user interface and a plethora of other little issues? I hope people realize there are other reasonable excuses for this happening that don't involve Epic hating the PC as a platform.
     
  4. Shlomo

    Shlomo New Member

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    Last time I checked, Cliffy B was practically the FACE of epic games, and once very kind to the UT series.

    Less than stellar interface? What a understatement. Hmm, a plethora of little issues = having 1/3rd the content of UT2k4, and 1/2 the features, and 1/10 the usability? Thats a pretty steep downhill IMHO. Epic have turned the blindside entirely to UT3 and thats a pretty big slap in the face, especially every time I hear that the game failed due to piracy.

    Epic has totally alienated the PC community with their recent actions and comments. It'll take a miracle and a really long "sorry" for most gamers to flock back to them and sing their praise.
     
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  5. N1ghtmare

    N1ghtmare Sweet Dreams

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    Jesus how many times does this one have to be rammed into your heads! Ever tried making map for UED3?
     
  6. Shlomo

    Shlomo New Member

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    Using the community is a crutch for content. Epic released a little and expected the community to make up for the rest. Terrible business decision
     
  7. TheIronKnuckle

    TheIronKnuckle What the hell is this "ballin" thing?

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    Well, it seems to be working (sort of).
    Although i can see what you're saying so i wont actually disagree
     
  8. evilmrfrank

    evilmrfrank Banned

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    I'm really hoping they do make a UT4 basically like what UT2004 did with UT2003. Would allow it to be an awesome game :D I think the UT series has become too serious. The UT series is still my favorite overall series from any other games and UT3 is an awesome game, I think with a little elbow grease it could be my favorite game :)
     
  9. Dark Pulse

    Dark Pulse Dolla, Dolla. Holla, Holla.

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    You, sir, are an idiot.

    Yeah, there's less packages, but the details of each thing are far more complex. Materials can sometimes have 4, 5, 6 layers of detail.

    Also, they're not "expecting" the community to make the rest. They didn't shift people on content. They made the content more complex, but less numerous.

    It's pretty obvious you haven't mapped before, and if you have, you're clearly ignorant. End of story.
     
  10. UndeadRoadkill

    UndeadRoadkill New Member

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    I know I read a quote by Mark Rein to the contrary. He was talking about how they cut a bunch of gametypes and content, and he said that if users missed it and wanted it back, they could just mod it in themselves. Not to mention how much user-content being available on the PS3 was talked up as being a selling point for PS3 players.
     
  11. Sir_Brizz

    Sir_Brizz Administrator Staff Member

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    Mark Rein is the face of Epic. Why would you think Cliff is? He's been making and promoting Gears of War ONLY since 2005!! :con:
    No, I think it's quite accurate. If you have more of a problem with it, then it's personal dislike.
    In your opinion, indeed. Not sure how humble or honest it is though :p
    Who said that it failed DUE TO piracy? I haven't read that word for word from any Epic employee. Looks more like you're putting words in their mouth.

    How has Epic abandoned the game when they released a patch less than two months ago, has a patch in the works (by their own admission), is still running MSUC, and still has a Linux and Mac client in the works?
    I can't disagree that they have done some oddly anti-PCish things lately, but considering they are promoting Gears 2 alone, which is a 360 exclusive, how can you blame them? This isn't "Midway Marketing" we're talking about, this is Microsoft marketing.
     
  12. Bishop F Gantry

    Bishop F Gantry New Member

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    Casual gamers would know who Cliffy is, most people wont even know who Mark is outside of UT or possibly GOW.

    Sluggish interface that usually dosent save preferences, ontop of that is heavily restricted in what you can do with it. personal dislike? Bollocks I say.

    http://www.totalvideogames.com/articles/Gears_Of_War_2_-_Cliff_Bleszinski_QA_13820.htm

    If you can run UT3 you will pirate it (sorry imply that you will pirate it)

    Epic abandonded the game when they released it as a Beta, cosmetic changes alone wont make up for that.

    Because the promotoin of GOW2 has very little to do with how Epic treats the pc crowd...

    Well atleast its nice to get a heads up from Epic on what the target audience of UT3 was.

    A small minority of people who can afford a high end machine and will pirate the game because they know how...

    That my friends is a brilliant buisness decision:(
     
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    Any idea how much of that content was UT 2k3 holdover and how much was contract work (Such as Digital Extremes or individuals like Hourences who made 6 maps for the game)? I'd like to see some numbers on how many of the maps were actually made by Epic themselves.
     
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    If you have inside information...please...tell us what you know!
     
  15. Sir_Brizz

    Sir_Brizz Administrator Staff Member

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    I don't need inside information, I just need critical thinking skills.
     
  16. JaFO

    JaFO bugs are features too ...

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    Perhaps it says more about the size of the market for an UT-game.
    It's like asking for the names of a few soccer-players in the USA ...


    Restricted in what aspect ? The fact that like in the good old days you have to edit your configs yourself ?
    If cars were built according to these kinds of specs we wouldn't even had the manual shifter we've got now. We'd have the kind of mechanism that the T-Ford had and you'd have to know about gear-ratios and tweaking them just to start your car. I say thank the god of engineering that we've got automatic gearbox and/or 'flappy paddles' instead. Then again ... we might not have had the amount of cars on the road if no one had thought of those inventions.

    Have you even looked at what it takes to run a game on pc's these days ?
    CliffyB is right on the money. The kind of person that is willing to spend a few hundred dollars on a mere graphicscard and that can get such a beast up and running in the average game will have the knowledge required to pirate the game.
    It doesn't mean he will, but the temptation is most definitely there.
    Heck I haven't met anyone that could build and/or maintain a semi-decent game-pc and lacked the knowledge/friends to gain access to warez.
    That's not Epic's fault though.
    It does matter to a business when trying to sell a game-engine with such high-end requirements.

    I guess we must have played a completely different demo ...
    Maybe you were hoping for any radical changes from a company that was kneedeep in the final stages of GoW-development ?

    No, it's the sad reality of pc-gaming.
    It also reflects the average attitude towards pc-games I've seen in the high-end hardware forums (they'd buy the latest kit and play warez as though it was normal).

    Until we get a system that is as easy to use as consoles there's no change.
    That's not Epics' fault.
     
  17. Peregrine

    Peregrine Death from above

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    Agreed. This is the exact same thing that killed Quake3. That game bombed as bad as, if not worse, then UT3 did. Anyone actually buy it? I did. I was all excited. WEEEE, can't wait to play some good old fashioned Quake CTF.
    Fired up the game to check out the CTF maps.... 4.
    4 very mediocre CTF maps.
     
  18. Interbellum

    Interbellum I used to be a man

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    The Nali couldn't even save themselves...
     
  19. N1ghtmare

    N1ghtmare Sweet Dreams

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    NO! UT2004 was UT2004 + UT2003. They had twice as much time to work on it and the time it takes to make a level for UED4 can take twice as long!
     
  20. Bishop F Gantry

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    Epic has utterly failed to market Unreal as a franchise, simply because its not a franchise its a bunch of irratic and inconsistent games that happens to share the name Unreal the games themself have very little in common.

    What Epic has been doing is changing Basketball rules with Soccer rules and then Icehockey rules.

    You still have to edit the configs manually since Epic was nice enough to include whooping 2 sliders to adjust graphics with so i have no control over what I want to look good or bad to improve performance in UT3.

    Compensating lacking gameplay with eye candy is never a good idea and sooner or later it comes back and bites Epic in the hiney as it did with UT3.

    If Epics target audience is such a small number that piracy hurts the sales its very much Epics fault for targeting such a small percentage of potential buyers.

    Radical changes is whats hurt the Unreal franchise the most, Id preffered if Epic had keept it internally consistent from the start instead of making radical changes with every release of Unreal.




     

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