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Spyware in WOW's Warden Client.

Discussion in 'Off Topic' started by B, Nov 1, 2005.

  1. B

    B Bee

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    I just read this article which was posted on a Dutch games site (gamer.nl)

    Full article: http://www.rootkit.com/blog.php?newsid=358

    Stopping cheaters is ok, but this is too much. It's none of Blizzard's business who I msn with or which screens are open on my pc.

    What's your opinion about this?
     
  2. Meroin

    Meroin [b]Hello![/b]

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    Very interesting. I'd like to see how this unravels. Some will probably say it's just as bad as Gmail's revalent text ads (Which, personally, I don't mind at all. Thanks again for 2.6 gb!), others might quit WoW altogether.

    I'd like to see the latter. :p
     
  3. Fluid

    Fluid Zen fascists will control you

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    WTF, a rootkit? This goes WAY too far.

    This article provides some pretty interesting insights into rootkits in general and how to detect them, IMHO. Though it may only be interesting if you're into the deep technical side of this.
     
  4. BillyBadAss

    BillyBadAss Strong Cock of The North

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    I am a crack head for this game, so it's hard for me to get angry, but when I play this game I don't have anything else open, or running, and when ever I go to a website that contains financial information, personal info etc. I delete my cookies and temp files immediately. I do the same after jerking it to porn sites.:eek:
     
  5. tool

    tool BuFs #1 mom

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    People have known about this for months. From what I have read on other message boards this isn't as bad as people are making it out to be and some of the claims like sending e-mails, chat logs, etc... to blizzard are blown way out of proportion and aren't true. If you have a any .exe's running with WoW then blizzard will know, but beyond that nothing else. It is to prevent cheating with the help of trainers or hacking programs running in the background. So if you arent cheating then you have nothing to worry about. I support blizzards sometimes nazi like stance on cheating in WoW. If it wasnt for their no B.S. rules on it then the WoW community would be a lot worst then it already is.
     
  6. B

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    Excuse me, but it's none of their damn business what other exe's are running on my pc. Besides there are other cheat detections which don't use filthy methods like this.
     
  7. DeeperShade

    DeeperShade Banned

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    Hmm, is there any mention of this kind of 'malware' in the WoW EULA or did they just suddenly start dropping it.
     
  8. tool

    tool BuFs #1 mom

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    Do you play WoW? I've never seen you mention you play it. :con:

    Believe me, if you play it then I don't see how you can disagree, if Blizzard didn't take a hard stance on cheating then WoW would be ruined very quickly. This isn't about you, this is about keeping WoW fair and cheat free, and with how many players there are in it, that is very hard to do unless you take some pretty drastic measures to prevent it.

    I don't think its in the EULA. But EULA's are just scare tactics anyways. They aren't legally binding contracts and just because you agree to it doesn't mean you have to follow it.
     
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  9. DeeperShade

    DeeperShade Banned

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    Tool, the point is, unless the consumer agrees to allow this piece of software to be installed, then according to legal precidence, it is an illegal action by Blizzard.

    Especially in the UK, where the Computer Misuse Act prohibits such activity.
     
  10. B

    B Bee

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    No I don't play it, tried it once, but it isn't my cup of tea.
    But still I fail to see how you don't see this as a bad thing. Yes agreed Blizzard and other game company's can make hard stances on cheating, but imo this goes to far.
    Read the article, the writer made a fake exe, which has nothing to do with the game and this crapware sees it as a cheat and bans him....wtf that's just wrong.
    Also according to the article the program logs various programs, msn chats etc, also just wrong.
     
  11. hyrulian

    hyrulian Rainbow Brite

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    Yeah, I've read this before. No, I don't play WoW. Yes, this kind of practice is crappy and illegal if it's not explicitly mentioned in the EULA.
     
  12. Fluid

    Fluid Zen fascists will control you

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    If a program secretly installing a rootkit without the user's consent doesn't constitute hacking, I don't know what does.
     
  13. tool

    tool BuFs #1 mom

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    Ok well I can agree that it is real lame that they don't let you know about this program. But I still agree with it being there. If it helps stop cheaters then i'm fine with it. However only as long as Blizzard is as careful as possible in making sure legit players don't get banned. If someone gets accidently banned then Blizzard better make damn sure that person gets his account active again and going as fast as possible, with a free month thrown in for the trouble.
     
  14. Xaero

    Xaero Who Dey!

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    and they don't log non-bannable information.
     
  15. Syri

    Syri Who are you calling short?

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    ok, for a start, it does look at your running programs, yes. it doesn't send that to blizzard though, it only sends a report if it finds something that's relating to wow and altering it's data.
    is it needed? yes, in a word. even WITH this level of checking, there's still going to be cheaters. I've played dark age of camelot for years, yes, there's other ways that they use of finding 3rd party hacks, the most popular there being radar to see where enemy players are. But there's no way they can find all of them.
    There's a mention of this in the eula somewhere btw, it's mentioned in there. blizzard make no attempts to hide the fact it's there. and i read somewhere that someone made a program not to stop it, but to monitor exactly what it's finding and reporting.
    at the end of the day, maybe it is too far, but then there's also too many people out there who just seem to live to screw up the game experience for others. And personally, as someone with nothing to hide, i say this is ok, as only those with something to hide have a worry really.
     

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