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so i listened to rush limbaugh the other day...

Discussion in 'Other Stuff' started by GoAt, Apr 20, 2006.

  1. Stilgar

    Stilgar Ninja

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    It's worse in NZ. Under the labour govts new 'Working For Families' scheme a couple earning 100k a year with 4 kids can qualify for 'assistance' ie handouts ie 'tax rebates'. There are even members of parliament who qualify :rolleyes:

    The TV ads providing info on the scheme feature a well-to-do middle class family with designer kitchen, cellphones and 2.5 kids. It's like they're trying to buy votes from the 'middle-class battlers'.

    I earn around 15-20k a year and I don't think I qualify for anything, 'tho if I quit one of my jobs, got some random girl pregnant and started living with her, I could probably ask for handouts :rolleyes:

    It feels so AWESOME knowing that I'm helping fund 'relief' for the upper middle class.

    Someones voting against labour next election.
     
  2. Animbadabar

    Animbadabar Userfied Regist

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    Yep NZ rules... they pull the wool over your eyes and tell you it's a long white cloud!

    Then you have to pay for the wool
     
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  3. Animbadabar

    Animbadabar Userfied Regist

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    Bah@ doublepost
     
  4. Stilgar

    Stilgar Ninja

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    Where's Old Hat when you need him!

    'And then they make you pay for the wool'

    Lucky for us it's good wool. Winter is coming.
     
  5. DeeperShade

    DeeperShade Banned

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    Well, in britain we pay $2.01 per litre, which would make it $7.59 per gallon.

    And no, I don't blame the oil producers, I blame Labour and Opec for hiking up the tax time and time again.
     
  6. Evil_Cope

    Evil_Cope For the Win, motherfather!

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    As a pedestrian, i thoroughly endorse the high fuel tax in britain. :) :tup:
     
  7. GoAt

    GoAt Never wrong

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    i said it like 2 times already.



    thats because there is like a $4 per gal. tax on it.
     
  8. Bot_40

    Bot_40 Go in drains

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    loooooool :lol:
     
  9. Eyuva 'S' NRG

    Eyuva 'S' NRG dont mess with the toilet monster

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    He may not have the power to fix or address problems, but he sure is the man RESPONCIBLE for handling problems AS they occur.

    Classic example... 1929. Herbert Hoover is in office, and then suddenly, sometime in the fall, the stock market gets the skids. What does he do to ADDRESS this sudden problem. Nothing. What happens? People throw him out of office for being IRRESPONCIBLE and NOT attending to the problems affecting the nation. They elect Franklin Roosevelt, who promptly makes a serious effect to address the problem.

    Ignorance of problems is NOT bliss, president's are responcible for addressing the problems that occur in their country. Or like Hoover, the people will ultimately hold the leaders accountable for their lack of respocibility.

    Oh, and one more thing, the ability to shift the agenda of government AS problems come up, is a brilliant idea. Sticking to your guns is foolish when the **** hits the fan. Think of it like this. If you were cooking in a restaurant for customers, would you keep cooking if a fire starts burning out of control. That's precisely what Hoover did metaphorically in 1929, he KEPT the SAME pace as if nothing was wrong.

    Oh, and some notes about Roosevelt, arguably the best president that ever happened to this nation, he entered office with a problem nation, he left office leaving this country as a WORLD POWER. He knew what he was doing. No other president that we have had can hold a candle to the societal, technological, and medical advancement that had occurred under the Roosevelt administration.
     
  10. Eyuva 'S' NRG

    Eyuva 'S' NRG dont mess with the toilet monster

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    No it's not logical. Time after time, economists have said, the middle class spend a bigger portion of their money. So middle class tax cuts have a better effect on the economy in terms of spurring growth. Do what's good for your country, that should be the primary priority. Policy for the sake of priniciple is lunacy.
     
  11. Stilgar

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    Thank god you actually have a relatively decent public transport system. City councils in nz have sat on thier hands for years and now the prices for fuel are starting to bite.
     
  12. Frostblood

    Frostblood Strangely compelling...

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    Well. The percentage of GDP going into government spending is higher in the average European country compared to the USA. But not drastically. It's currently 30% in the US compared with about 50% average in Europe. In Scandinavian countries, it's about 60% - these countries regularly score amongst the highest in the world in terms of standard of living etc. On the other hand, government spending is extremely low (15% of GDP) in Japan, which also has a very high standard of living, much lower crime than most Western countries, and so on. Which should make anyone think twice before saying "Omg let's make government bigger / smaller!!!111". Although such people are unlikely to have thought about it even once...
     
  13. Evil_Cope

    Evil_Cope For the Win, motherfather!

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    To be fair Japan had the whole, uber-boom, rapidly expanding econamy thing going on. Aren't they due for a hideous, society collapsing crash or something? Or is that just the usual doom-mongers rumouring again?
     
  14. Nachimir

    Nachimir Crony of Stilgar

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    That's true Frostblood, but by any definition it's not socialism. Collective ownership is not mandated, property is not wilfully dispersed in the name of "equality". Higher taxes are not the same thing as socialism, even if they are exacted on goods.

    In line with your thought on complexity and size of government, you also reminded me of a quote from the Press Corp Dinner speech (full transcript) I saw the other day:

     
  15. Frostblood

    Frostblood Strangely compelling...

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    Oh no, of course not. I was pointing out that while governments are generally "bigger" in Europe compared to the US, there is no clear relationship between government size and how prosperous (or indeed free) a country is. Size doesn't matter (within reason.)
     
  16. gamergirl1337

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    im not a "liberalist" or "republican" im a socialist. The only thing bush has done right so far is make fun of himself. The war in Iraq is COMPLETELY useless we are not "helping" them we are hurting ourselves taking billions of dollars a year to "rebuild" iraq and give them a democracy. if they wanted a democracy they would'nt be killing all of our soldiers. they think we came over there to destroy them all. with the way our "soldiers" are treating them i would be killing the american soldiers and burning them. I completely disagree with bush's belief that " there are weapons of mass destruction in iraq." if there were we would have found them by now. we got who we wanted and killed the rest. why not just leave them alone. help out poverty in USA. help out our so called "democracy" this isnt a democracy its a "bushocracy" him and his stupid ass republican cabinet are destroying us. You talked about humanity, this is humanity. Our "president" is more worried about what is happening in Iraq then the turmoils we are facing in America. now tell me One thing (if you can) GOOD bush has done for us. there is none. absolutely NOTHING. i dont care if china f@#&s mexico. i'll get everything else in my next message.
     
  17. Evil_Cope

    Evil_Cope For the Win, motherfather!

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    ZOMG, socialism! :lol:
     
  18. Cat Fuzz

    Cat Fuzz Qualthwar's Minion. Ph34r!

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    Wow you are truly clueless. Like that chick on that movie, what was it called? Oh, yeah! CLUELESS.
     
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  19. oosyxxx

    oosyxxx teh3vilspa7ula

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  20. Cat Fuzz

    Cat Fuzz Qualthwar's Minion. Ph34r!

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    Yeah. I felt like holding back a bit, but now I'm in the mood to say what I really think.
     

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