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Shooting through walls, an experiment

Discussion in 'General Infiltration Discussion' started by BA Baracus, Jan 12, 2001.

  1. BA Baracus

    BA Baracus I pity the fool!

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    to me it seemed that shooting through walls had all but disappeared in 2.8x, but other people and the team members all said it was still there. so i went upon a little experiment. i downloaded the ballistics test map and did some testing. just thought others might like to see my results:

    weapon - - - # walls penetrated*
    M92F - - - - - - - - - -3
    DE - - - - - - - - - - -7
    M3 - - - - - - - - - - -3
    AKSMU - - - - - - - - - 6
    MP5 - - - - - - - - - - 3
    M16 - - - - - - - - - - 4(i would have thought more, but what do i know...)
    PSG - - - - - - - - - - 6
    Robar - - - - - - - - - 8

    * the map has eight different sections of wall, starting at one end with the thinnest all the way up to the other end being the thickest. i'm numbering them with 1 the thinnest, 8 thickest, the number represents the last piece of wall the weapon was able to penetrate. the wall sections were not aligned in a row for consecutive penetration, i.e a 3 does not mean it shot through 3 sections of wall before the bullet stopped but that i tried the thinnest section, it penetrated, i moved on to #2, it penetrated, #3, it penetrated, #4, no penetration, so 3 is the last wall full penetrated. hope i make sense. if you download the map it'll be clear

    i guess the walls in the 2.8 map pack are just thicker than they used to be...

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  2. smithnwessun

    smithnwessun Gravel

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    M-16

    I am not surprise to see the M-16 doing only 3...it is only 5.56mm so it is not like the aksmu caliber...personnaly i hate the m-16 with a scope...cost too much for all the soldier in your army for nothing...can be broke on the field but in inf it is ok because you equipement can be break or get full of sand...
     
  3. smithnwessun

    smithnwessun Gravel

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    Sorry

    It was 4 ;)
     
  4. The_Fur

    The_Fur Back in black

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    AHAHAHA, the de rules, MORE FACE RUBBING!!!

    boy i'll love 2.85, blowing away all those beretta people with my desert eagle even if they take cover.

    however i am surprised that the de performes better then the AKSU and PSG1


    Crosshairs are for wimps :)

    Killing stupid people is not just a hobby, it's a way of life.

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  5. BA Baracus

    BA Baracus I pity the fool!

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    5.56, ok, that makes more sense then, in my sleep deprived haze last night i was thinking the M16 was 7.62

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  6. Dobbs

    Dobbs New Member

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    And

    And what of the M16s tumbling bullets? How do those really act when they hit a wall? ;)

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    "A witty saying proves nothing" -Voltair (1694-1778)
     
  7. Ray_Wilson

    Ray_Wilson New Member

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    Heh

    Snipers get their meat with the Robar! :D

    Personaly I like Berreta more then Desert Eagle, Berreta is faster and a tad easier to aim with.. :cool:

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  8. Acey4 NA

    Acey4 NA New Member

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    um its no use if it shoots faster if it can't go through sh't!hahahahahaha[no offense]hahahahaha the DE rocks,when 2.85 comes out[i think it might be fridayish when it does,or monday if it is perfect]everyone will see the beutiful glare of my DE and piss them sevles,hahahahahaha

    crush the good men that bow to you,then die by the hand of me. Title:TEAM KILLING,by AJ,Freddrick
     
  9. -=SDS=-A-TeamDan

    -=SDS=-A-TeamDan New Member

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    Moment of Glory

    Wow a tear rolls from my eye as a i read this thread. It seems only months ago the only people who would even touch the desert eagle was me and jonnyboy. Now i sit here looking at my monitor with a smile on my face. Im glad you all see the ways of the DE

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  10. Chronic

    Chronic unʒuckwithable

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    About the DE vs. M9

    DE:

    Advantages: More power, better wall penetration.
    Disadvantages: Harder to aim with, smaller clip size, more recoil.

    Beretta M9:

    Advantages: Larger clip size, easier to aim with, less recoil.
    Disadvantages: Less powerful, less wall penetration.

    My choice: I mostly use the DE, however I have to respect the M9, it is not a piece of ****, It is much easier to aim with, so better for long range shooting. Part of this is because the front sight on the DE is almost impossible to see. It also has more clip size, so less chance of getting killed in reloads.

    Also, time to knock some of the people who think that DE guys are idiots. I've read some posts where people say that we are UT DM people and just want the biggest most powerful gun we can find. Not true, far from it. I will mostly use the DE in INF and for my main weapon I will most likely be using the M-16 (Hey, it only takes 3 shots to kill anyway;) or the FN P90. Besides, who needs power when it only takes one headshot to kill with any gun. That is, unless you can hit people like that. That's why I like the MP5 right now, just spray headshot level and you rack up 6 KIA's in one clip. Fun stuff. Anyway, that's enough rambling on for now. :D

    -Chronic
     
  11. DeadeyeDan[ToA]

    DeadeyeDan[ToA] de oppresso liber

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    "Besides, who needs power when it only takes one headshot to kill with any gun"

    Exactly, and with the M9 you get many more chances to hit the head within a specified amount of time than with the DE.

    BTW, which of these 2 guns would you consider more powerful?:

    M60 medium machine gun: 7.62x51mm, 550 rounds per minute.

    XM214 "micro-gun"/"mini-minigun": 5.56x45mm, 1,000 to 10,000 rounds per minute.

    The M60 has the bigger bullet, but I think it's obvious that the XM214 totes more firepower. I think it's debatable wether the DE is more powerful than the M9 in INF- one round from the M9 does approx 3/4 of one from the DE, but I think the M9 more than makes up for that in rate of fire.

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  12. RogueLeader

    RogueLeader Tama-chan says, "aurf aurf aurf!"

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    Seems like the classic quality vs. quantity argument. Overall I think they balance out.
     
  13. Paublosanchez

    Paublosanchez New Member

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    personly i saw screw the de and berreta = )

    i go for AK MSU and the m16 with a scope

    AK MSU: More ammo, more damage, and more wall pentration then the mp5.

    M16: Perfect mid range sniping weapon 3 shot kills.

    i used to take a long the m3, but i want to make sure i'm prepared when 2.85 comes out so i take a minimal load out, i think my loadout now is about 33, 35 something like that.
     
  14. Kain

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    Methinks it's good the way people are arguing over which is better. At least it means they're both balanced, and one is for blowing people apart while one is for quick lethal shots in the back. :)
     
  15. The_Fur

    The_Fur Back in black

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    btw you can fire the DE as fast as the beretta, it is semi-auto after all. So scratch the ROF. I practised on the firing range and i am now able to empty the DE just as fast and accurate as the beretta (both 10 bullets, DE loaded +1).

    Crosshairs are for wimps :)

    Killing stupid people is not just a hobby, it's a way of life.

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  16. Galaddin

    Galaddin Forum Drifter

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    There's a slight delay between depressing your fire button and the gun actually firing. The DE does in fact have a slightly slower ROF than the m9. I prefer the m9 myself :D

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  17. RogueLeader

    RogueLeader Tama-chan says, "aurf aurf aurf!"

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    The M9 fires faster and has more ammo, but the DE is stronger. I think they balance out, so it depends on your style of play. I think a more stealthy player would choose the DE because they would want to be able to take someone down more quickly. You could argue that with the M9 you can still get a head shot and kill in one shot, but in my opinion aiming with the m9 and de is harder than with other weapons.
     
  18. LordKhaine

    LordKhaine I sing the body electric...

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    I find the M9 a lot easier to fire. Its so easy to aim, and will take out someone in 3 shots anyway, compared to the 2 a DE can take. It all comes down to personal preferences.

    The DE does have the huge advantage of sounding really cool tho :D

    LordKhaine
     
  19. Hannibal

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    m9

    I think the DE feels more clumsy and akward than the M9. The M9 feels very professional and clean(couldn't think of a better word to describe it) when it fires. Also, it has a larger magazine and with my aim... :rolleyes:
     
  20. Hodag

    Hodag High on Jimson Weed and Lysol...

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    DE vs M9

    I just want the SOCOM...

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    your best friend...--

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