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Sense prevails in US politics

Discussion in 'Off Topic' started by Firefly, Nov 8, 2009.

  1. Jacks:Revenge

    Jacks:Revenge ╠╣E╚╚O

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    well, the entire debate is pointless here.
    the forum is wrong.

    the argument is about competing philosophies.
    no one is right, no one is wrong, because no one is going to change anyone's mind.
    at the core of each argument is just another interpretation of the constitution or what was meant by the declaration, including a personal belief regarding human rights.

    we need a more diverse audience in order to have a meaningful discussion.
     
  2. Benfica

    Benfica European Redneck

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    I was not talking about the poor, the programs, medicaid, the system or the bill. I was talking about an (IMHO) quick and simplistic post. Regardless of your perspective you see the can of worms this is.

    There are guys that are parasites and we DO have citizen groups and a petition that want to get rid of RSI; people that have reduced mobility and still have to work. I know VERY WELL what I'm talking about here, 4 years ago I had a gf with disabilities

    There's just one thing that it's clear to me: health insurance looks like a tax and even with it, you seem to be paying full price.
     
  3. kiff

    kiff That guy from Texas. Give me some Cash

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    indeed
    there's your problem. the founders made it very, very clear what their philosophies were. it's beyond obvious what their intentions were. they stated and restated them on many occasions and corrected ppl's misinterpretations of them.

    you can interpret the bible as saying we should all **** cats and piss on each other, but it's obviously wrong.
     
  4. Larkin

    Larkin Gone

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    Exactly.
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    For some reason I searched for socialist on wikipedia and I saw the oxymoron that is the existence of the "socialist economics" page so I just had to click it. I found some gold in there at the end which for some reason I can't resist to quote. I know this is more communist then socialist, but as this is the only political thread going on and its at least a bit socialist for now I say wtf. I won't even pretend anyone will care about this, but like I said wtf.

    I have to read this guys book, now. :eager:
     
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  5. Jacks:Revenge

    Jacks:Revenge ╠╣E╚╚O

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    but even among the founding fathers there was debate over how their words should be interpreted. there were competing ideologies and philosophies throughout the Second Continental Congress, it's not like they all agreed on exactly what was put on paper.

    they did their best to reconcile their own differing opinions.

    what you forget is that they also made it very clear how the constitution's greatest power lies in its ability to adapt and change to meet the needs of the people as society progressed.

    it's not set in stone.
     
  6. N1ghtmare

    N1ghtmare Sweet Dreams

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    And that is why it is so vague and short compared to other constitutions...also so it could last this long.
     
  7. MÆST

    MÆST Active Member

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    Anytime someone finds Ludwig von Mises I am happy. In my opinion he is the single greatest social scientist ever. (So why haven't you guys heard of him?) His political philosophy was nothing ground breaking, as it was essentially classical liberalism. But he was one of the last of the classical liberals, and he gathered the hundreds of years of work in classical liberalism into a coherent ideology, and defended it against the onslaught of socialism and progressivism.

    He also was at the forefront of the intellectual fight against socialism. His book Socialism, which I am guessing is where the paragraph you quote is from, completely dismantled the intellectual framework of socialist planners. Combined with Hayek's additional arguments about the impossibility of socialist calculation, he was able to foresee and explain the collapse of the Soviet Union.

    He also predicted the Great Depression, and explained why New Deal policies did nothing but draw it out. After all, he was really an economist, and his political opinions necessarily drew upon economic truths. Human Action was his magnum opus, and I'm proud to say I was able to read all 1000+ pages of it. Finally, his Theory of Money and Credit explains the essential causes of serious recessions like the one we are currently muddling through. Too bad more people of power didn't read and understand that book.

    Add in a personal harrowing story of escaping Austria ahead of the Nazis and you've got the icing on the cake.
     
  8. MÆST

    MÆST Active Member

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    You are correct, there was plenty of disagreement. The good news is that disagreement is preserved in Madison's notes on the Constitutional Convention and the Federalist and Anti-Federalist papers. Plus many more pamphlets and letters. Have you read them?

    Also true. Instead of ignoring the Constitution how about you advocate Change. After all "Change" has a better ring to it than "Ignore".
     
  9. FuLLBLeeD

    FuLLBLeeD fart

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    hey Canadians what's it like living in the real land of the free
     
  10. Sir_Brizz

    Sir_Brizz Administrator Staff Member

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    Yes, freedom is being subservient to a leader an ocean away. :p

    I'd love to know what you define as freedom.
     
  11. -Jes-

    -Jes- Shreddin'

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    Goooooooo Grundlov!
     
  12. Jacks:Revenge

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    during my sophomore year I read most of the Anti and Federalist papers for my American Presidency class. of the Federalist, I think we read at least 50 of the 85 or so that exist. as for the flip side, he had us use this book for our text. but I don't know how many Anti- papers are actually out there, since that book is merely a selected collection.

    in that same semester I had a Congressional Legislation class that required selected readings of Madison's notes from this book.

    oh!
    and I saw that HBO series on John Adams, every episode, so I totally know what went on in that convention.
     
  13. Zarniwoop

    Zarniwoop is cool

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    I facepalmed so hard I basically slapped myself :lol:.
     
  14. Sir_Brizz

    Sir_Brizz Administrator Staff Member

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    It was supposed to be a rather lame joke.
     
  15. Zur

    Zur surrealistic mad cow

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    Hey share some of that "commonwealth" you have with me :p .
     

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