Semi SUV

[ProjectX]

Do you think the Semi-SUV is unbalanced for UnWheel?

Before we had these firm established "bests"

KOTH: Centipede, Race Truck
Race: Flair F1, Venom GTSR
Rabbit/Roamer: SmarMobile, monstertruck
CTF: Most Vehicles
K-Ball: Most Vehicls

but now with Semi-SUV it has a large wheels and fast acceleration, which makes it the best for rabbit and roamer, it has a hig top speed which makes it the best for race and it's relatively powerful which makes it the best for KOTH.

It seems to me that the top speed needs to be dropped below that of the SmarMobile's because that way it is balanced ith it (SmarMobile is fast to accelerate but has an average top speed)

 

[stevenhorton]

Don't blame me for the SemiSUV it's not in my nature to make something I know to be inferior I have found out through experimenting that the absolute Karma top speed it more than double our current top speeds I can also remove some of the advantage of the SemiSUV by giving it the ability to do wheelies You can't steer with the front wheels off the ground

 

[bobnine]

It is odd that somthing unairodynamic and heavy has such a fast accelleration and top speed.

 

[ProjectX]

Don't blame me for the SemiSUV it's not in my nature to make something I know to be inferior I have found out through experimenting that the absolute Karma top speed it more than double our current top speeds I can also remove some of the advantage of the SemiSUV by giving it the ability to do wheelies You can't steer with the front wheels off the ground

I'm not actually against it. Hey if the top speed is higher why don't we just make all the other vehicles go much faster than the S? would certainly make the game a bit harder/more fun.

 

[stevenhorton]

Absolutely, make the others faster I have tested the exact same vehicles in both vctf and UnWheel mode with interesting results; UnWheel has a top Kspeed of 3300 with turbo applied, vctf has a top Kspeed of 7500. I have no idea why

 

[ProjectX]

something to add to the bugtracker if shrimp has the time.

or you or someone else good at vehicles could?

 

[Shrimp]

Would someone be interested in doing some maths, based on vehicle scale, to see what the current vehicle speeds are in 'real' terms?

The reason the vehicles don't travel at 3457203985 km/p is because firstly, you never know what might skip and jump at that speed online with a medium to high ping, and it would be near uncontrollable at that speed with any kind of ping above average. Also, playing something like Rabbit, or CTF with super fast cars would be extremely difficult - sure everyone's on the same 'scale', but with so much extra speed, skipping and jumping with lag, I imagine it would be near impossible to catch someone going that fast. Probably for much the same reason you're not allowed to carry a flag and drive a Manta in VCTF.

One major reason for the seemingly slow vehicles is once again, balance. We can't realistically have all vehicles zooming along at insane speeds. Or else there would be (granted, there are one or two now as it is) a 'killer car' that everyone would choose for every gametpye. We can't realistically speed up something like the trucks or buggies to match anywhere near a KMaxSpeed of 7000+.

I haven't played much VCTF, but I certainly didn't notice any vehicles doing such massive speeds. I'm assuming you're playing with custom vehicles that go that fast? Well there's nothing stopping anyone from creating vehicles that go 10000 or more in UnWheel, it's just that obviously once that vehicle hits a server, nobody would want to drive anything else . Just like you wouldn't want to drive a standard Scorpion or Hellbender in a VCTF game where everyone else is driving a SemiSUV going 7000 .

 

[stevenhorton]

Good points Shrimp I never consitered the network problem of keeping track of vehicles going that fast. On the testing side, I have a 3 mile plus test tunnel with a marker at 1/4 mile, 1 mile, 2 mile and 3 miles. I made the same track for UnWheel and VCTF. I also used the same .uc codes for the VCTF vehicles, except that they were not UWSCAR, but onswheeledcraft. We could do some online testing of the faster VCTF vehicles to see how they behave, misbehave, online. My mile measurements are not taken from the size of the vehicle, but from unreal units. Test results:
FlairFOne 1/4 mile, 12;mile 37.
MOD 1/4 mile, 12; mile 40
motorcycle 1/4 11; mile 37
Bugger 1/4 mile 14; mile 42
SemiSUV 1/4 mile 9; mile 35

 

[bobnine]

If you want to play with fast vehicles you can use the gamespeed mutator.Also, turning on low gravity while using the gamespeed mutator will make for slightly more realisic physics.

 

[ProjectX]

If you want to play with fast vehicles you can use the gamespeed mutator.Also, turning on low gravity while using the gamespeed mutator will make for slightly more realisic physics.

wow. Just realized that the motorcycle is faster than the Flair F1!
Serious unrealism methinks.

 

[Kyllian]

*Mental Note: Add UnWheel to cable-dl list

 

[$n][pErMan]

Its high speed is countered by its extremely hard ability to control. I think its fine that way it is. Although better physics would be nice.... if you hit another car you fly across the map like it has no weight .. lol

 

[craze]

Its high speed is countered by its extremely hard ability to control. I think its fine that way it is. Although better physics would be nice.... if you hit another car you fly across the map like it has no weight .. lol

but flying is good, especialy if you just stole the flag.

 

[$n][pErMan]

but flying is good, especialy if you just stole the flag.

I must admit ... in rabbit .. that car is a beast

 

[ProjectX]

I must admit ... in rabbit .. that car is a beast

that's what I mean, it's got too much of everything. If you toned down only one factor then it would be better (i.e. acceleration, or top speed. I'd recommend acceleration, although realistically it's top speed really should be below the Flair F1's)

 

[carmatic]

Absolutely, make the others faster I have tested the exact same vehicles in both vctf and UnWheel mode with interesting results; UnWheel has a top Kspeed of 3300 with turbo applied, vctf has a top Kspeed of 7500. I have no idea why

is it because unwheel vehicles are using a smaller scale compared to the default vehicles?

::edit:: uhh or not... umm nevermind

 

[JACK SH!T]

The faster cars are harder to controll (most of them). I think This is a good ballance between speed and handling. Slow and steady, or fast and reckless. I've used the F1, and lost to the Bugger on road maps. I'd say if anything, the faster the car is, the looser it should be. Kindda' like the RaceStang is; fast & loose, like my woman.... *JS thinks for a moment....*
If anything, I'd say make the simisuv hard to handle so other cars can compete with it, like the motorcycle is.
I wouldn't mind seeing someone make a '69 Nova, Chevel, Rancharo/ElComino or a GTO for UW that had good pickup, top speed, but a little loose like the RaceStang. Mayby even get sideways when you start like a real streetrod does when you punch it.
Hey, what about a T-Bucket Roadster?

 

[stevenhorton]

Or, how about a 1970 AAR Cuda? I had this car in my early twenty's I only have a couple hours in it so far, so don't get concerned with how rough it is

 

[jerdaygo]

Or, how about a 1970 AAR Cuda? I had this car in my early twenty's I only have a couple hours in it so far, so don't get concerned with how rough it is

Nice one Steve, UnWheel needs some more muscle