Salespeople

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QUALTHWAR

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This is a rant about salesmen and good info to know if you’re planning on accepting a sales job.

I’ve had a couple of jobs in sales. One was a temporary job at sears when I was 18 or so. That was more of a “ring sales up and help customers” type of deal. Another was a temp job selling anti-fog solution for eyeglasses near the exit of some department store when I was maybe 20. That stuff basically sold itself because you would coat one eyeglass lens with the solution and leave the other lens alone and hold the glasses over a steamer. The treated side was clear while the untreated side was fogged up. This stuff was handy when it was cold outside and people would walk inside and their glasses would fog up.

Then there was this lawn care gig. You would walk around people’s yards, write up stuff about their lawn, and give them an estimate for lawn care. Then you’d go to a sales office in the evening and call to try and sell them on the idea of lawn care. This was when I discovered the nasty side of sales.

We would try and sell lawn care at all costs. If you’re an old lady on a fixed income…so what, sell them something they really don’t need. If people are worried about their pets or children exposed to the chemicals, tell them it’s okay after it dries. There was one guy who used to spray lawns and he got this infection in his leg and the rumor was that it was from the chemicals they used and the company had been paying him for years even though he sat at home, just so he’d keep quiet about it. Then there were issues about the chemicals polluting the waters and stuff, and we were supposed to gloss over this issue.

Then there was the backroom politics. One salesman had been there for years and always had the top sales. I accidentally overheard my boss and this salesman talking one day and the boss was saying that we had 6 call-ins and he was giving 3 of them to him and the rest was being distributed among 3 other salespeople. Call-ins are people who call and want you to come out to give them an estimate. It’s almost a given that you’ll make a sale this way because the person is already interested. He gave me one call-in and said I was now “in the loop.” This implied I was now involved in some backroom politics.

Then I’d have callbacks that this salesman would get. A callback is someone who is interested and wants you to call them back in a few days or something. These usually translate into a sale. Well, I would call these people back in a few days and discover that another salesman had called them and they bought the lawn care from them instead. We get commission, so people were stealing my sales, and my money. I’d find out this top salesman would come in early and call these people the day I was supposed to call them. They were going through my desk and finding my callbacks and making the sale before I was scheduled to arrive that evening.

We were also guaranteed a salary, so even if I made no sales, at least I had a little money coming in. So I got fed up with this crap and gave them my 2-weeks notice. The first 10 days of this, I carefully kept track of the people who were really interested in sales, and the people who were really nasty on the phone. You’d have people who would say they used to use our company and hated them and would never use them again. I kept track of all these people. The last 3 days, I pretended like I was talking to people on the phone all evening. I would write stuff down, look busy, laugh like I was talking to people, and even act like people had hung up on me.

The last day I was there, I made these notes on my sales sheets. I’d put down stuff like, “Mr. so-and-so is very interested, and wants a callback Friday 27.” Mr. so-and-so would be one of the people who hated us. I’d put like 4 stars on the paper showing that this person was a definite sale. I did this over and over again. The people who were actually interested. ..well, let’s just say those papers disappeared. I could see them now: calling all these people thinking they had some hot lead, only to get cussed out over the phone, time and time again.

Then I had people from Office Depot interested in me. They wanted me to sell computers, software, and peripherals for them. They told me that they make virtually nothing off the sale. They said they make their money from selling extended warranties. Then they made the comment about how I probably heard all this bad press about extended warranties from shows like 20-20. In other words, you’ll have an uphill battle convincing people they need something they really don’t need.

If any of you plan to post your resume on sites such as Careerbuilder and Monster, be prepared. I’ve had people call and ask me to come in for an interview. I get there only to discover they want me for a sales position. Nowhere on my resume do I suggest I want to be in sales, but they are looking for drones they can train to do their bidding.

Then you get spammed with email from people who want you for sales even though your resume mentions nothing about sales. I finally told one company off last night.
 

EbonEdge

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In the not too distant future.....

QUALTHWAR said:
Then I’d have callbacks that this salesman would get. These usually translate into a sale. Well, I would call these people back in a few days and discover that another salesman had called them and they bought the lawn care from them instead. We get commission, so people were stealing my sales, and my money. I’d find out this top salesman would come in early and call these people the day I was supposed to call them. They were going through my desk and finding my callbacks and making the sale before I was scheduled to arrive that evening.

So I got fed up with this crap and gave them my 2-weeks notice. The first 10 days of this, I carefully kept track of the people who were really interested in sales, and the people who were really nasty on the phone. You’d have people who would say they used to use our company and hated them and would never use them again. I kept track of all these people. The last 3 days, I pretended like I was talking to people on the phone all evening. I would write stuff down, look busy, laugh like I was talking to people, and even act like people had hung up on me.

The last day I was there, I made these notes on my sales sheets. I’d put down stuff like, “Mr. so-and-so is very interested, and wants a callback Friday 27.” Mr. so-and-so would be one of the people who hated us. I’d put like 4 stars on the paper showing that this person was a definite sale. I did this over and over again. The people who were actually interested. ..well, let’s just say those papers disappeared. I could see them now: calling all these people thinking they had some hot lead, only to get cussed out over the phone, time and time again.
Now that was cool. Way to stick it to the man. :D :tup:
Backdoor politics is one of the reasons why no one in America appreciates a quality worker who's there to do a good, honest job. It's all about the "in crowd" screwing over the less popular. And that's if they bother to hire you in the first place.

I knew of a guy named Joel, not too different from you or me . He worked at Gizmonic Institute, just another face in a red jump suit, he did a good job cleaning up the place but his bosses didn't like him, so they shot him into space. I heard they even made a tv show about it later on...they called it sci-fi ninja theater or something. They're still making money off of that poor dead guy floating around in the lifeless vacuum of space. :(

People just ain't right.
 

Angel_Mapper

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EbonEdge said:
I knew of a guy named Joel, not too different from you or me . He worked at Gizmonic Institute, just another face in a red jump suit, he did a good job cleaning up the place but his bosses didn't like him, so they shot him into space. I heard they even made a tv show about it later on...they called it sci-fi ninja theater or something. They're still making money off of that poor dead guy floating around in the lifeless vacuum of space. :(

People just ain't right.
Watch out for snakes!
 

QUALTHWAR

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Another crappy thing about that company was you were supposed to fill out info on these lead sheets before you even got to a lawn, to save time. Each lead was like 3 pieces of thin paper and when you’d write on the top sheet, it would copy the writing to the other two sheets. You did this at night at home. Stuff like, “Now is the time of year to treat for chinch bugs.” But you also had to fill out little sections with a word here or there. It was very time-consuming. Add to that the fact that you had to locate all these places the night before by using photocopies of maps you made at work. I would use those and mapquest.

The bottom line was it took you several hours a night to pre-fill these 30 sheets of paper with info and locate the homes for the next day. Since you were writing the same stuff over and over again on each of these sheets, I got an idea. I used Word to type up all the text I wanted on these sheets, then printed a page out and held it up to the light to see how well it lined up to the spaces on the paper. I did this a few times until it lined up just right.

Then I’d put these 30 sheets into my printer tray and picked a font that looked like handwriting and printed this info out on the top sheets. It didn’t matter that it didn’t press through to the other 2 sheets because it was just lame comments anyway.

Man, did this save me a crapload of time. The other salespeople at work thought it was no big deal at first until they realized they were spending an hour and a half each night doing something that took me a few minutes. Hell, all I did was stick these leads in my printer tray, open up my saved Word doc, tell it to print 30 pages, and I was done. That saved me about 8 or 9 hours each week.

It didn’t matter much when you woke up, but you had to be at the office by 5:30 that evening, so you needed to run all your leads before then. So you’d get up at 10 or 11, spend several hours running around doing this lawn analysis during the day, usually run home for a few minutes and get ready to go to work again at 5:30. I drove maybe 30 or 40 minutes to work each evening. You’d work from 5:30 – 9:30 I think, then spend time after that getting your leads for the next day and making copies of the appropriate maps to find the places. Then drive home 30 or 40 minutes, spend all this time filling out these sheets with info and marking the addresses on the map.

Your whole day was basically used up. You were pretty much busy from the time you got up until you went to bed. I think I was spending about 70 hours a week working before I saved myself that 8 or 9 hours. Not only did you drive to the office during the week, but you had to get up early on Saturday and come in for a half-day of calling people. That job sucked ass. You had one day off and you were so freakin’ tired that you didn’t feel like doing much.
 

VeNN

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Well this isnt sales related but "****ty job related". Back in 98 I took a job at Kinko's, in the graphics dept. I was stoked. but becuz I was the last one hired, most of my job was just helping people on the self serve computers. I still liked it tho, but wanted to get more into the graphics.

Then my boss says, we hired to many people in the graphics dept, and we have to let you go... unless you want to be a cashier.

I didnt want to be out of a job so i took the casheir job, and hated it. I did this job for a couple months and the manager asked if i would like to learn the docutech. i said "sure". I would have to come in a couple nights to train when it was slow. so i came in when asked to train. did this or a few weeks, and then my manager tells me he gave the job to someone else. wtf? anyhow about the same time my daughter had an after school event she wanted me to go to. I called my job well in advance to let them know i would be late that afternoon. they told me it was up to me to find a replacement for my shift.

at that point i felt like popeye, and told them "i cant stands no more", and quit.
 

Stilgar

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Yar for teh stinky jobs. The company I work for are closing half of all thier branches in the country. Luckliy I get to keep my job but the hours have shrunk by 30%

Being broke rules :tup:
 

Balton

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I hate salespeople... I'm one.


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today at work I tried calling 20 people to arrange some appointments. We need to sell some building society savings contracts and some pension funds fonds (The way I translate those products makes me feel funky).

I usually enjoy calling customers because it sometimes leaves you some space to chit-chat with some intresting people... guess I'll never try calling people on mundays again.
 
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