Processor Comparisons

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NuKT

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I am conducting a Survey on what kind of Processor you think is the best.

The Choices are:

Intel Pentium III 700
AMD Athlon 700
Whatever is the 700mhz or equivelent Apple Processor.
i dont know macs

Please reply, Comments are fine but not needed,
Also my email is NuKT2000@hotmail.com

Thanks, NuKT

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Aren't there a lot of things that come into play with such a comparison? I mean, there is cache, RAM, ram speed, motherboard, bus speed, and overall hardware compatibility. Given a choice I would take the Athalon, I'm an AMD man...until something disgustingly better comes out.

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what do you have now? you might need a new motherboard to accept your p3, and you will for sure need one to accept the Athlon. so factor that into the cost.

impossible to say what would be a good decision, we need more info.
 

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Athlon hands down.

Pee3 wins only if you get the 133 coppermine and also want to shell out nearly $1000 for 128MEG of RDRAM

Apple has their G4, which I beleive only operates at 450MHz, but does a sustained gigaflop in certain integer intensive apps. I'd go apple if I used nothing but photoshop.

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IMO the fastest, non mini-computer, processor around is the G4.

i mean, no PC processor can beat one GigaFlop...

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too hard to tell with the details you give, but either a PIII or AMD Athlon are good, but i would go for a P3. dunno why, maybe cos motherboards are a wee bit cheeper for Pentium based processors, plus quite a few games are beginging to use p3 optimizations now, like Boarder Zone. either one is a good choice though.

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Read my text: the g4 can do a sustained gigaflop "in certain integer intensive apps" It can't even come close if things aren't optimized for it's Velocity Engine. The only app that they've shown running at a gigaflop are specific filters in photoshop.

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The cost of a Athlon motherbaord and P3 motherboard are about the same, but you have a much wider range of choices for the P3.

Personally I'm running a Athlon 700 on a Asus K7M mb with 100mhz SDRAM. and I bet this combo will out perform any simular P3 combo, and it was cheaper. The P3 coppermind will out perform th Athlon 700, but it will also cost a lot more.

You can expect to see this summer copper based Athons running in excess of 1ghz.

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Yo Lizard, d00d, check out www.pricewatch.com , this is the best place for pricing any hardware, but when i mean the motherboards are more expensive, im talking maybe 30-50 bucks. i was saying this for the more budgetly challenged. The prices between an AMD Atlon 700 and P3 700 are a little different depending where you shop, cos i found that a p3 800 was cheeper than the Atlon 700. weird huh?

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Has anyone here deliberately bought a cheaper 500 or 550mhz athlon and then hacked the case off of it and added the overclocking device and then gotten it to operate reliably at a significantly higher clock speed? I'm pondering doing such a thing as I upgrade some of the other computers in my LAN.
 

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Comparing processors is a rather in-exact science, IMHO. Many factors go in to determining the overall speed of a system. Like the cache, board, etc. In the case of comparing the PIII and the Athlon, the speed difference is probably too little to notice. It would be hard to tell even if you had both machines stacked up next to each other. You should look beyond raw speed when choosing. For example, most software writen today is still optimized for the Intel platform. And Intel's MMX extension is more popular the AMD's 3DNow... although 3DNow is gaining popularity...

Comparing two totally seperate processors like the G4 and PIII, which run seperate OSes, and are built around totally different philosphies, is next to impossible. There are just too many factors.

For example, I have a PII 300 and a G3 400. When running UT with the software renderer, the FPS is roughly equal. Why? Well, first of all, the the PC version has MMX support, which is a BIG help. The PC version has also been more heavily optimized than the mac version (well, I'm pretty sure it has), and the mac version is a PC port, and in order to keep things compatible, some sacrifices must be made.

On the other hand, the Seti@Home client runs well over twice as fast on the G3 than on the PII. Why? I'm not sure, exactly. I'm guessing it's because it's much easier to generate optimized code for RISC processors than CISC. The G3's excelent FPU may also play a role.

Er, anyhow, it's 2:35 AM and I'm dead tired and my brain has just halted all thought, so I'm gonna end it here. I know I've left some tidbits out...

BTW, I am NOT an expert by any means. I just have a lot of cross-platform experiance and know how difficult comparing different platforms can be. This is all based on observation, and not written fact. Ahh who cares... no one takes any of this stuff seriously anyhow...

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What morgan won't tell you is that the "supercomputer" G4 scores less in UT fps than does my k6-2 400 with a voodoo2. Note this is using the G4s included ATI card, though you could put a voodoo in, it still scores a rather pathetic framerate.

My Athlon 650 at work simply beats the snot out of it.

System specs:
Athlon 650
192mb pc-133 SDRAM
Geforce 256 DDR

Mac System specs:
G4 400
128mb PC-100 Sdram
ATI 16mb Rage
 

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Fringe, don't take this the wrong way, but you're a dumbass.

FPS is almost entirely decided by the graphics card. Not the processor. And gee, I wonder, does an ATI card perform like a voodoo? Hmmm... </SARCASM>

Why don't you swap the two cards and then see what happens...

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I'm really pleased with the Athlon 550/ FIC SD11 m/b and V3-3000 that I built. Very stable system, once I got windows installed (a bit of a task because the system wanted to vomit everytime I added the next piece of hardware).
3 months ago, I paid $450 US for this m/b/processor at Yahoo auctions. You could easily get it for $325 now. Excellent value, and remember nobody wants to brag about how much money they lost by buying state of the art when it devalues by 50% in one year.
 

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But wait a minute, Lagmon...

I thought the Geethree was twice as fast as a PII 400! And a Geefour was 3x as fast as a Peethree.

Too bad the phucking things can't match up to even budget-level PC processors in actual benchmarks outside of photoshop.

Go bark at some newbie who doesn't know his sh*t. According to massa jobs, ATI is a "top of the line card." I find it funny that they ship such a sh*tty card with their top-end systems, but hey, thats just me.

-Fringe