President Obama does it again!
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the devil is always in the details....
if it was such a short trip, why didn't you and a couple guys just walk it?
seems like a waste of gas let alone the unnecessary risk
me personally I just never got into the habit of thinking it's ok to drive anywhere after drinking.
if it was such a short trip, why didn't you and a couple guys just walk it?
seems like a waste of gas let alone the unnecessary risk
me personally I just never got into the habit of thinking it's ok to drive anywhere after drinking.
more times than you, son
send me a PM if you want this to continue.
this is total derailment and I'm going to lunch now.
send me a PM if you want this to continue.
this is total derailment and I'm going to lunch now.
Of course it is, but 1700s America was a different place than it is now. I still think people should be able to come here easily. I said that before. But they should come here according to whatever laws we have right now, and we have laws about it right now. So I don't agree with sending the message that coming here illegally is okay.
You should have warned me you were going to post blind rhetoric before I wasted my time reading it. This isn't the GOPs problem, this is the inability of all of our politicians to get in a room and compromise. It has been a growing problem for 30 years. It's not like Obama has been trying to compromise and nobody will, his complaints lately sound exactly like what they are: "they won't agree with me so they are to blame". Bleh.
And don't bother responding to that if it's going to be typical one-sided rhetorical blathering.
@Balton:
I think these 800,000 that President Obama just gave legal status to should go to Berlin and they should take every single relative who isn’t legally here with them. Then and only then your eyes will be opened Balton. While I have to respect that you have an opinion, I don’t have to respect your opinion and certainly not when you don’t walk in my shoes or in any taxpaying US citizen’s shoes.
@Lizard Of Oz:
Using executive orders doesn’t mean the President circumvented the constitution. Creating executive orders to bypass the Congress because you can’t get your proposal through Congress is circumventing the constitution.
Here are several examples that you requested. After reviewing these please provide a list to me of which of the 291 orders you say George Bush made that override a decision that our elected Congress voted against. President Obama uses these orders to get what he can’t get past Congress. President Bush did not. At least not after Congress said no first.
http://redalertpolitics.com/2012/06...congress-to-allow-amnesty-for-young-illegals/
http://articles.latimes.com/2012/jan/04/nation/la-na-obama-cordray-20120105
http://www.newsmax.com/GeorgeWill/Obama-Czars-Recess-Appointments/2012/01/31/id/426087
http://www.nypost.com/p/blogs/capitol/obama_said_FUPLREKARLkkyz80UV3LYK
http://finance.townhall.com/columni...a_cant_wait_to_bypass_constitution/page/full/
http://blackquillandink.com/?p=9337
http://video.foxbusiness.com/v/1371122874001/meese-obama-trying-to-circumvent-constitution
@cryptophreak:
I don't think what you said is true. I think if you had a car it would still have a Obama for President sticker on it. I think you love Austin too.
Thanks for the boobs whoever did that. Great timing! More soon?
I think these 800,000 that President Obama just gave legal status to should go to Berlin and they should take every single relative who isn’t legally here with them. Then and only then your eyes will be opened Balton. While I have to respect that you have an opinion, I don’t have to respect your opinion and certainly not when you don’t walk in my shoes or in any taxpaying US citizen’s shoes.
@Lizard Of Oz:
Using executive orders doesn’t mean the President circumvented the constitution. Creating executive orders to bypass the Congress because you can’t get your proposal through Congress is circumventing the constitution.
Here are several examples that you requested. After reviewing these please provide a list to me of which of the 291 orders you say George Bush made that override a decision that our elected Congress voted against. President Obama uses these orders to get what he can’t get past Congress. President Bush did not. At least not after Congress said no first.
http://redalertpolitics.com/2012/06...congress-to-allow-amnesty-for-young-illegals/
http://articles.latimes.com/2012/jan/04/nation/la-na-obama-cordray-20120105
http://www.newsmax.com/GeorgeWill/Obama-Czars-Recess-Appointments/2012/01/31/id/426087
http://www.nypost.com/p/blogs/capitol/obama_said_FUPLREKARLkkyz80UV3LYK
http://finance.townhall.com/columni...a_cant_wait_to_bypass_constitution/page/full/
http://blackquillandink.com/?p=9337
http://video.foxbusiness.com/v/1371122874001/meese-obama-trying-to-circumvent-constitution
@cryptophreak:
I don't think what you said is true. I think if you had a car it would still have a Obama for President sticker on it. I think you love Austin too.
Thanks for the boobs whoever did that. Great timing! More soon?
I understand this point, I just disagree with its relevance. The lack of any sort of amnesty for these children up until this point hasn't prevented people from coming over at all, and I don't really see a massive influx of people coming over BECAUSE of it. The parents, in such a situation, are still completely sol if caught, and if the kids aren't of age, they'll just get sent back too. In other words, there isn't enough of an incentive for them to illegally immigrate because of this, so it doesn't seem like it would be a big deal. It seems like an ideological objection without a practical correlation.
Especially assuming "immigrants" means "Mexicans" in context, I too don't see hordes of illegal immigration happening because of the executive order. Studies have shown that Mexican influx into the United States plateaued and even is decreasing. The study also saw a pattern of them leaving the US to go back to Mexico. Probably because the United States is becoming less of a viable target, or Mexico's economy is strengthening.
Lizard Of Oz
Demented Avenger
I checked out your links and this is what I found:
1. This is the current issue we're discussing. Obama's executive order that the government will no longer deport some young undocumented immigrants. (I'll give you this one.)
2. congressional recess appointments (necessary, because the Republicans are doing everything in their power to block ALL appointments regardless of merit.)
3. congressional recess appointments
4. congressional recess appointments
5. Right-wing opinion piece.
6. Right-wing opinion piece.
7. Right-wing opinion piece.
Now let's take a look at a small sample of the first four years of Dubya's "Constitution circumventing" executive orders...
- Establishment of Executive Department Centers for Faith-Based and Community Initiatives.
- Notification of Employee Rights Concerning Payment of Union Dues or Fees
- President's Commission To Strengthen Social Security
- Community-Based Alternatives for Individuals With Disabilities
- Establishing the President's Homeland Security Advisory Council and Senior Advisory Committees for Homeland Security
- Expedited Naturalization of Aliens and Noncitizen Nationals Serving in an Active-Duty Status During the War on Terrorism
- Equal Protection of the Laws for Faith-Based and Community Organizations
- Responsibilities of the Department of Agriculture and the Agency for International Development With Respect to Faith-Based and Community Initiatives
- Confiscating and Vesting Certain Iraqi Property
- Commission on the Intelligence Capabilities of the United States Regarding Weapons of Mass Destruction
- Establishing National Counterterrorism Center
- Designation of Additional Officers for the Department of Homeland Security Order of Succession
Sure, I think that is a completely valid point. I don't think this is an invitation to come for sure, I just think it's sending the message that "we will be accommodating if you decide to come". So, perhaps it doesn't have any practical relevance but I am concerned about sending that kind of message.
To be fair, I don't think he's really interested in compromising except as a political maneuver. Oh, well
Look, I'm not saying that Obama/Dems are not compromising and Republicans are. That's not true at all. Both parties have been woefully underwhelming as far as real compromise goes.
The Democratic Party's version of compromise is backing down from their principles and position, even if they were the overwhelming majority.
The Republican Party's version of compromise is fulfilled when, if and only if, the opposing parties discard their own principles and position and totally back the Republican agenda.
The Republican Party's version of compromise is fulfilled when, if and only if, the opposing parties discard their own principles and position and totally back the Republican agenda.
So because congress is deadlocked it's ok to circumvent the constitution? The ends justify the means?
The assertion that he had no choice is demonstrably false. They had two years where Democrats were in charge of everything. The Democrats refused to even convene the committee in charge of immigration. Furthermore we have a prominent, well liked, conservative senator willing to deal. Now we'll never know how successful he could have been. The fact is Democrats weren't even willing to try when promising opportunities were presented.
The assertion that he had no choice is demonstrably false. They had two years where Democrats were in charge of everything. The Democrats refused to even convene the committee in charge of immigration. Furthermore we have a prominent, well liked, conservative senator willing to deal. Now we'll never know how successful he could have been. The fact is Democrats weren't even willing to try when promising opportunities were presented.
it's their policy.
you can call that bind rhetoric until you're red in the face but it does little to excuse reality.
http://politicalwire.com/archives/2010/03/01/record_use_of_the_filibuster.html
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Sorry, I mean this isn't only the GOPs problem. The "blind rhetoric" part of my post didn't have much to do with that specifically. The rhetoric on both sides is to blame the other side, however, the blame lies squarely on both sides.