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Post 2.9 Official Weapon Suggestions Thread

Discussion in 'New Version Suggestions' started by OICW, Dec 4, 2003.

  1. keihaswarrior

    keihaswarrior New Member

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    I think that an RPG-7 could work well, especially in some of the larger maps. HE frag and HIT rounds would be really cool. I suppose you could take a few HEAT rounds to shoot through bunkers and stuff too. The HEAT rounds could also be used as part of a map objective where you need to destroy an armored vehicle.
     
  2. Iskendar

    Iskendar New Member

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    A quick google turns up at least one 60mm mortar which can be used by one man:
    http://www.israeli-weapons.com/weapons/artillery/mortars/soltam_60mm/Mortar_60mm.html
    I recall seeing recent footage from Iraq in which freedom fighters/terrorists fired a mortar on a
    US base: one man use without the bipod. The option for a second team member to carry more ammo
    would be an obvious necessity. I admit the range is a bit overkill for the game.

    I can see how that would pose a problem :)

    RPG != AT weapon. The RPG-7 is often used in a "poor man's artillery" role, and there are HE rounds
    for it. RPO uses thermobaric or napalm rounds, mainly for clearing bunkers and machine gun posts. I
    agree that without destroyable terrain, these weapons lose some of their real-world use, but not all of
    it. A HE or incendiary round through the window of that occupied building guarding your avenue of
    approach can do wonders. Suppression fire too: want to move across a gap covered by long-range
    enemy machine gun fire? A near miss HE or napalm round can do wonders. Same use for the mortar.

    I.
     
  3. spm1138

    spm1138 Irony Is

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    I think any kind of direct fire rocket weapon would be overpowered (in game terms) for Inf as it stands.

    It's annoying enough when the 40mm spam gets bad, but rockets would just be ridiculous.
     
  4. Soul Assailant

    Soul Assailant New Member

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    What about automatic 40mm grenade launchers as a static defense? General Dynamics makes a doosy called the MK19. Should give Sara all the big booms anyone could possibly want. Buuuuut, should anyone need bigger ones, they also make a tasty little treat called the BDM60, which it says can be used safely anywhere from 20 to 250 meters. 20 meters seems to be about what most shots are taken from in some INF maps.
     
  5. Arethusa

    Arethusa We will not walk in fear.

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    Hey, I'd love an Mk.19. Who wouldn't. Anyway, considering that reloading an RPG-7 takes a fair bit of time and just dragging one around is unplesant, I don't think we'd see a hell of a lot of spamming. I, for one, would love to see it in.
     
  6. Crowze

    Crowze Bird Brain

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    An Mk19 might be a possibility, I believe BobTheFish was working on it.
     
  7. SaraP

    SaraP New Member

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    Mk 19, bah. I want the AGS-17 Plamya, because *no one* does excessive firepower like the Russians.
     
  8. Meplat

    Meplat Chock full-o-useless information

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    Okay, so when do we start having AC-130's, Arc Light strikes, tactical nukes, maybe the odd orbital delivery system?

    Meplat-
     
  9. SaraP

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    You forgot Tsar Bombas.
     
  10. ecale3

    ecale3 Sniper - May be harmful to your health.

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    Arc Light? what is that?
     
  11. OICW

    OICW Reason & Logic > Religion

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    Callsign for a B52 strike
     
  12. SaraP

    SaraP New Member

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    Operation Arc Light was the code for B-52 Stratofortress heavy bomber operations during the Vietnam War. Arc Light strikes were conducted out by B-52Ds equipped with the "Big Belly" modification, which allowed the BUFFs to carry a staggering warload of up to one hundred eight Mark 82 five hundred pound general purpose bombs.
     
  13. spm1138

    spm1138 Irony Is

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    Apparently an arc-light strike would turn the jungle into something resembling the surface of the moon.
     
  14. Soul Assailant

    Soul Assailant New Member

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    Arc-Lights remind me of a line from the Hulk. "Your parking lot is ready."
     
  15. Black_King

    Black_King New Member

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    If you want something that can fire underwater, include a Glock of some description. The 17 model, perhaps?
     
  16. spm1138

    spm1138 Irony Is

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  17. Meplat

    Meplat Chock full-o-useless information

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    Any fiream using reasonably well made (read,"water resistant/waterproof") munitions can fire underwater. Some will not cycle, some will fail to extract properly, all will experience unusual trajectories, and reduced ranges and acuracy.

    If one has a pool, and cares little for their hearing, feel free to try it.My seeing a number of .45 ACP handguns, and a couple M16 variants fired underwater convinced me.

    Meplat-
     
  18. Arethusa

    Arethusa We will not walk in fear.

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    As a warning to anyone who attempts this, while most guns can manage to fire without major incident (usually just a failure to cycle or extract, and some, like the Glock pistols, will function just fine), some weapons will experience a massive integrity failure if the barrel can't withstand the much more significant pressure of underwater operation. Water's relative uncompressability has been known to cause barrels to shear in half on occasion. Also, wear ear protection and do not put your head under water. You will go deaf whether you like it or not.
     
  19. Meplat

    Meplat Chock full-o-useless information

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    Arethusa- I should have stated "Any DECENT firearm" Granted a RG Rohm in .44 Magnum is unsafe both under and above water..

    Consider that the pressure exerted upon the outside of the bore, by the media surrounding it will be equal to the force inside the bore, prior to firing. Hydraulicly induced backpressure would not be as great as you'd believe, as you are forcing the fluid from an open ended tube (Like a syringe, with little restriction). Also, water cavitates readily once one breaks the speed of sound in said fluid, further reducing the fluidic backpressure.

    Water within a bore becomes an issue mainly when the weapon has been immersed, then the water is imporperly drained, or left in a very small bore due to capillary action. This is a circumstance where the M16 sufferd a bit of an issue in humid environments, or during river crossings. Failure to drain the bore ( "sneak" the bolt back a bit, then shake the hell out of it, muzzle down.) caused a number of burst tubes.
    Supressed firearms also are not "happy" post immersion. Example? The Navy issued S&W "Hush Puppy" 39's were fitted with muzzle, and breech plugs to prevent entry into the supressor. The pistol would not suffer, but the can of the supressor would be split, or blown.

    If one MUST try this, I reccomend a M1911A1 of quality manufacture. One has a low operating pressure, low velocity, and a design known for it's massive construction.

    Meplat-
     
  20. Tiffy

    Tiffy Back to champion the L85

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    Nearly all firearms are damaged, some serverly, when fired underwater. The hydralic pressure induced in the barrel is a lot greater than normal and usually will distort the barrel by bulging it. If its a not too cleaver barrel then it will probably burst at that point, but most will just bulge.

    As an experiment I really wouldn't recommend this. You'll propably damage the weapon, you may need to replace the barrel and at the worst you'll destroy it.
     

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