Pistol Rate...calculated...

[PhatAzz]

The pistol rate should be slower than the alt fire.

So...take the alt fire and see how many shots you can get off in say 1 second. The pistol rate should be 0.5 or 1 shot less than the alt fire per second.

The logic is the alt fire should be the fastest way to discharge the weapon, but you loose the ability to spam it and re-aim between each shot.

Therefore, it would just be natural to say the primary pistol's delay should end up being greater than the rapid sequence and recoil you get with the alt fire.

So, FMI - I'm sure has the numbers in regards to how many shots per second the alt fire pistol does + the recoil. I would hope that the pistol should be slower then - Alt fire + recoil time/ number of bullets.

 

[Magwa]

The pistol rate should be slower than the alt fire.

So...take the alt fire and see how many shots you can get off in say 1 second. The pistol rate should be 0.5 or 1 shot less than the alt fire per second.

The logic is the alt fire should be the fastest way to discharge the weapon, but you loose the ability to spam it and re-aim between each shot.

Therefore, it would just be natural to say the primary pistol's delay should end up being greater than the rapid sequence and recoil you get with the alt fire.

So, FMI - I'm sure has the numbers in regards to how many shots per second the alt fire pistol does + the recoil. I would hope that the pistol should be slower then - Alt fire + recoil time/ number of bullets.

Agreed, the alt fire used to be a 3 shot group right? so what you say makes perfect sence even as a simi automatic the primary fire should be slower than the alt or full auto ...

 

[[Lithium]]

Solid Logic

 

[cyb]

just use the timings from u2xmp and everything will be fine.

 

[PhatAzz]

Actually, I think u2xmp's rate might have been a little too fast, but I'm not sure. Can anyone do alt fire pistol timing (3 triggers in a row) with a stopwatch and let us know the time frame for 3 discharges of alt fire on u2 and utxmp? the time for you to shoot 1 clip of bullets as fast as you can.

The alt fire timing needs to end at the end of the recoil.

That's assuming that the pistol has 9 shots and the alt fire shoots off 3 at a time.

 

[Gumby]

You can fire the pistol faster in UTXMP than U2XMP, without looking at it i think its like 0.6s to 0.8s for primary (3 shots) but they are about the same for alt fire... to fire 3 shots after a "burst" is slower in U2XMP than in UTXMP...

Would be cool if XMP could be included as a gametype in the next installment of the UT series...

 

[Apathy]

Whatever technical analysis shows the pistol rate of fire is irrelevant to me, I was mowing down gunners left and right with it without hardly any effort so obviously something is wrong with the balance.
Same with the tech shotgun primary, mowing down gunners and rangers left and right, and from a good distance too, it was so easy.

 

[heavy_wargod]

with that moviemakerthing(frag-ops ?) you can make a movie of it and then you can check how long it takes.

 

[fireball]

Fraps.
Frag-Ops is another mod (never played it, a lot of people say it's pretty good)

 

[heavy_wargod]

okay thanx

fraps then

 

[[LNS]Jubei]

Whatever technical analysis shows the pistol rate of fire is irrelevant to me, I was mowing down gunners left and right with it without hardly any effort so obviously something is wrong with the balance.
Same with the tech shotgun primary, mowing down gunners and rangers left and right, and from a good distance too, it was so easy.

there's a very easy solution to that

make a gunner a gunner by increasing it's health and shield a little
and a little more boost power for dodging

 

[heavy_wargod]

there's a very easy solution to that

make a gunner a gunner by increasing it's health and shield a little
and a little more boost power for dodging

haha the gunner with 125 health and 600 shield
then its almost like you kill a juggernaut