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Rostam

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I saw some footage of (I think) Iraq, with soldiers severely beating up people with sticks. I haven't found an internet source yet with more information, or the video for that matter (saw it on a spanish network earlier today). Anybody got more info or a link?
 

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You know, they've probably been sitting on this one for years.

Waiting for just the right moment to release it to maximize effect and gain profit.

Shot in 2004 and we're just now exposed to it? Right...

Besides, it's not like this is surprising. Of course a few 'bad apples' are going to make it into the service and do shit like this. It's war for fucks sake.

This kind of stuff is just propaganda, even if there is some truth to it. Releasing something like this is just going to put more people at risk and give those idiots more reasons to riot and fight. Also, I love the name 'Ministry of Defence'. It's so Orwellian.
 

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Bad apples my dick, you put people in to that situation and of course bad things are going to happen. Even Ghandi would start beating people up.

I still want all the info I can get on things like this. For my taking over the world business of course.
 

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You know, this whole 'everyone would do the same thing' shit is a bit ridiculous. You can stop now. We understand. You go to a university. We're all very proud of you.
 

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Well, with the other side chopping off peoples head when they capture (read : kidnap) soldiers (read : civillians/journalists/aidworkers), I'm not sure I'm able to feel very sorry for those getting a beating. That doesn't make it right though.
 

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Almost, there are more than 2 sides. A small group can easily damage a large group, but the other way around seems to be a lot more difficult (harder to hit the 'right' people). Most casualties are innocent, if you are capable of feeling sorry for a journalist then you should just as easily be able to feel sorry for a kid getting the **** beaten out of him.

Crac, I was actually thinking that way before going to uni. And since then I haven't learned that many new stuff, not during lectures anyway (we don't have that many). Something I do love about it though are the people going there, it is so great to have a dialogue with people that know their stuff.
Now shut up and suck.
 

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Well, THEY were there attacking the Brittish base, not the other way around. They initiated it. They wouldn't been beaten if they hadn't been there, initiating.

I'd say getting your head chopped off is slightly more serious than getting a bruise from a punch. You sorta die without a head.

But, again, that doesn't make it right.
 

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I think the most disturbing thing isn't the beating, but the fact that the british fellow that's holding the camera is getting off on it. "oh yes, oh yes, your gonna get it... naughty little boys.. -- beatings begin -- yes yes yes! soldier mocks "oh please dont hurt me!" -. hystical laughing, and grunting like he's wacking one off. F'd up stuff there. The beating itself is bad PR, but the fact that takes on the tone of some British military S&M video makes it pretty much unrecoverablely bad PR. -- although i think the weirdest part is that the video i saw bleeped out the "F" word.

I found the video over at Ogrish
 

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Like I said, most casualties in the war so far are innocent - and this is caused by both sides. Whether you decide to drop a bomb on a crowd because intel says they might be armed or you chop a guys head off, what motivates you won't matter for the dead.
 

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They deserved it. They ignored the cardinal rule of rioting: If you riot and you stand out, you will get your ass beat.

I commend the soldiers. They did what we've all been wanting to do for awhile.

--Harrm
 
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It makes me wonder, that those soldiers obviously are pretty proud of what they do (beating up teenage stonethrowers). Recording a video of this (or taking photos in Abu Ghraib)... as if they didn't know they were doing anything wrong...

Do they wanne show off to their grilfriends, kids or grandkids...??? "Now watch grandpa beating da Sh!t out of an Iraqi punk...!" This is like recording evidence on a burglary one commits himself... either no sense of breaking rules or pretty much the opposite of smart....

@ Rotsam: If you didn't learn anything of interest at university, you most likely picked the wrong major...
 
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geogob

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Do they wanne show off to their grilfriends, kids or grandkids...??? "Now watch grandpa beating da Sh!t out of an Iraqi punk...!"

Well, that is most likely true. It's exactly like those dumbass that go on INF servers, plan 99 claymore to crash the server and then post screenshots to brag about it on forums (and wonder why they got banned). It's on another level, of course, but the idea remains the same... people like to brag about the stupidest thing they do, like they are proud to be idiots or something.

Good thing not everyone acts like that.

This is like recording evidence on a burglary one commits himself... either no sense of breaking rules or pretty much the opposite of smart....

Well not really. You don't rob a bank to show off. Beating up a kid in Iraq surves no other purpose... to show off. Show off your apparent power, show that people should not mess with you, show to your proud friends what you did to those stone throwers little terrorist kids, those fuckers who deserved it. It doesn't server any pupose of justice, interrogation, protection or revenge (well perhaps a little of that)... it's only to show off. But who cares! those kid deserved their beating... they even ran after it. good for them.

Next time there is a protest here, in Quebec City, (unions do a lot of that here) I think I'm going to beat up a few kids. They stand stand out anyway, so we might as well beat their ass to hell. We all waited to do that for a while anyway.

But you are right nuke... filming it is not exactly smart... just like what I describe earlier in the post ins't exactly smart either.
 
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Harrm said:
They deserved it. They ignored the cardinal rule of rioting: If you riot and you stand out, you will get your ass beat.

I commend the soldiers. They did what we've all been wanting to do for awhile.

--Harrm

Ho yea, totally agree with you...the smartest way to bring freedom to stupid countries...hmmm btw, that was for Freedom, isn't it ? :shake:

edit: I remember now, that was for 9/11...No! It was for massive weapons of destructions ?

Choose the reason you prefer, for my part i just notice that Freeworld (and i live in one of them...) just carry one rule: Money
And of course i join Ecale,
I live that everydays when i see people in their cars going job in the heavy traffic thinking to their children, when they pay their "sweet home" for years at the bank, like the credit card to buy the latest video card to play bf2 (i didn't yet :rolleyes:) , i look at their faces, trust me, they f***ing feeling free.
But for sure, "stupid terrorists" didn't understand yet how fun is a modern car, how cool a house with tons of useless things and fun is BF2...

Bye, i must feed my car.
 
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