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N00b could use some tips

Discussion in 'General Infiltration Discussion' started by Al_Bundy, Jan 30, 2005.

  1. Al_Bundy

    Al_Bundy New Member

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    Hi everyone, it seems that everytime I play INF I get pwned alot! Sometimes I get killed and I don't even know where the shooter was, I just get gunned down and die. Also, it seems that when I see the enemy and shoot them I always miss and they just fire back and I die. Even when I'm trying to shoot them in the back I fire off multiple times and miss them while they manage to turn around and kill me. Also when I'm facing the enemy and have them in my sights and as I'm about to fire I get shot at by them. So lets just say I really suck at it. Any tips would be helpful and appreciated.
     
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  2. NTKB

    NTKB Banned

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    Heres the best tip you will ever recieve:

    Patience.



    Welcome to INF. :)
     
  3. UN17

    UN17 Taijutsu Specialist

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    - Use a bigger gun?
    - Use a gun with a lot of bullets?
    - Follow a victi... experienced meatshiel... veteran player?
    - Avoid open spaces?
    - Expect people around every corner?
    - Wear armor?
    - Wear a helmet?
    - Play with good teamwork players?
    - Play against godlike bots?
    - Play more?
     
  4. Al_Bundy

    Al_Bundy New Member

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    - Use a bigger gun?
    I'm using the M16A2
    - Use a gun with a lot of bullets?
    30 round mag should be good enough
    - Follow a victi... experienced meatshiel... veteran player?
    I could try that
    - Avoid open spaces?
    I could try that too
    - Expect people around every corner?
    read above
    - Wear armor?
    I wear a level 3 vest
    - Wear a helmet?
    I wear a helmet
    - Play with good teamwork players?
    Good teamwork players is in EAS or DTAS but none in TDM which seems to be the most popular.
    - Play against godlike bots?
    I could do that
    - Play more?
    I play a good amount of INF, also it seems that servers are mostly empty until the weekend comes

    Oh and NTKB do you mean patience as in find a nice place to hold up and wait for the enemy to come to me so I can gun them down during matches or patience as in continue to do what I'm doing now and hope my skills get better as I continue to play and not give up in frustration?
     
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  5. Derelan

    Derelan Tracer Bullet

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    I think alot of people would agree that the best gun to start with is the SIG551, there isn't really any situation it wouldn't be good for, unlike the M16A2, which is horrible for close-quarter combat.

    Secondly, put a few smoke grenades in your loadout for EAS, they'll help out alot.

    One trick you'll quickly need to learn is switching between stances. Sprinting to combat zones, jogging to objectives, walking slowly when you're expecting enemies nearby, crouch-walking when you want to be quiet.

    Some quick tips - Lower your rifle when you're jogging longer distances, it saves stamina.
    -When you encounter an enemy when you're doing the above, immediately crouch and raise your rifle, practise doing this as fast as you can.
    -Never hold down the fire key, you'll more often than not be luckier if you take the time to place your shots, even if the enemy seems very close.
     
  6. (SDS)benmcl

    (SDS)benmcl Why not visit us here in the real world.

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    One thing I know worked for some players is finding someone for one and one. Someone willing to take the time. You be amazed how fast people learn that way.

    One of the things, amoung general instruction, is "playing a bit" but as instructor only put a few rounds around their ears or at their feet then explain how you got into that position or what the player did wrong. Repeat. If the "student" gets you fine but there is real no point in kill him over and over.
     
  7. Lasersailor184

    Lasersailor184 The_Punisher

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    The way I stay alive is to not play it like any Deathmatch game. If you're outgunned, get the **** out of there! That means if there's a sniper, don't jump out in the open, especially twice.

    There are few people I can outgun in INF. There are few people I can't outsmart in INF.
     
  8. UN17

    UN17 Taijutsu Specialist

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    Oh yeah, the Lemming syndrome. I love it when people repeatedly walk into the same spot where they have died twice before from a sniper and get shot again. Then the guy behind him decides to go out and gets shot too. Then they respawn and take the same route and get shot. Replace sniper with Minimi or M203 or any other effective area denial weapon.

    But I'm sure that's not an issue with Uber Soldier. It just sounds like he is getting out gunned. Good luck finding a friendly person to 1 v 1 with :)
     
  9. Lethal Dosage

    Lethal Dosage Serial Rapis...uh, Thread Killer

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    @ Uber_Soldat

    Play against the easiest bots offline until u can take out like 6 of em in any gun battle easily, then up the difficulty one,

    Try using weapons that are full automatic, that way u can just spray till the emeny r dead, or take out a bunch of em

    Lean around corners (especially indoors) to check to see if any1 is in the next room

    Walk around with your sights up, but aiming downwards at the ground, that way u can see over your rifle, with only having to bring your rifle up to shoot the bad guys (much quicker)

    Carry 2 Frag grenades to clear rooms that have multiple enemies in them, better to do that then to run in shooting n plrobably get gunned down in the process

    Try the M4a1 with the Reflex Sight and like 7 mags, on full auto its plenty of gun for Close and indoor combat, and when taking the time to aim, is quite useful out to 150m, remember, if a gun ain't right for you take it out of your loadout, and try something else

    Keep up the practice till u get it right, if something don't work, try something else, if u keep dying in a certain area, avoid it and find another route to go around

    Persist, keep up the practice, and neva give up, u'll get the hang of it already, i've been doing this for over a year, its hard at first , but when u get used to it , u'll neva stop playing
     
  10. Cleeus[JgKdo]

    Cleeus[JgKdo] because respawns suck

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    - I'd suggest the SIG551 too, it was my first AR, after i started with the P90 as my primary weapon :lol:
    The SIG has easy sights, works in CQB and on long ranges, and it can do auto as well as semi.

    - Never shoot while standing (unless you are playing this game since 2 years or more ;) )
    Lower your stance to crouched and you will have a much better chance hitting while the enemy has a smaller target to hit.

    - Never shoot while moving (unless you are forced to do so in CQB)

    - Try to sprint as seldom as possible, lower your weapon while jogging (uses less stamina) but don't hesitate to raise it when you expect enemies.

    - Do you know how to aim correctly? Try on the Shooting Range where your weapon exactly hits. For exact shooting you can controll your breath by holding down the right mouse key.

    - if you get caught in a bad moment by the enemy, say you are on open field and he is in cover and starts shooting at you, don't try to shoot back - you will loose anyway - immediatley try to find some cover, and get the hell out your guy sprinting into that cover. Well, its a matter of milliseconds.
    Same applies if you cannot see the enemy
     
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  11. Turin_Turambar

    Turin_Turambar Pls don´t shoot to the Asha´man

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    The best advice i can give is: the easy part is killing the enemy with the weapon, the real hard part is to see the enemy before him. Learn to use...not, to read the map, the environment.

    If you dont have the uber-aim of others (at least, for now), make it up with teamwork and tactics:

    -Work with the team, for the team. Cover the asses of your mates, and they will cover yours the next time. It's not only more efficient, it's more fun!! There is nothing better than to win in tigerhuntII capturing the flag, while the enemy try to snipe in some obscure bush.

    -If you are trying to advance but can't, remember you have smoke to cover the area or trick the enemy. Same with door breaching charges.

    -Claymores are nice, tactical and funny things: they make booom!

    -Always remember that you enemies are other humans, which are devious, creative creatures. They will camp in the most weird corner to kill you, and other time when you have the focus in getting the objetive, they will flank and attack you in the back.

    -Speak with your team. If you see a sniper killing a mate, say his pos to the rest.

    -use report direction mutator.
     
  12. -Freshmeat

    -Freshmeat Eternally noob

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    The best advice I can give as a beginner myself is to hang on to someone who knows what they are doing. Finding out who that is partly relies on what you read in the forums, partly on the many, many hours you will end up as spectator.

    Use the time as spectator to learn the most common routes of advance. Also, use the ghost command to get an overview of the map when playing offline

    Help by giving fire support. When approaching a doorway, get out a grenade and teamsay "Nade this?" to whoever you are folllowing. Cover their advance by crouching and aiming when they move, then sprint to catch up.

    If you want the satisfaction of a kill, load up with grenades and use them liberally and CQB maps. Just make sure that none of your team is where the grenade lands.

    Bots move, humans don't. Allthough bots are good for learning basic movement and fire, they behave vastly different from humans. Thus, playing to much against bots will learn you some reflexes that are not desirable. Infiltration against humans is all about being very, very careful, because whoever you meet will kill you if you don't kill them in less than about two seconds.

    When spotting an enemy at all but close distance, hit the deck, bring up your sights, AIM and shoot single, aimed shots.

    As others said, the SIG551 is a good weapon to start with. Also the M4A1 from the modpack, and the P90 for CQB. Don't use ACOGS unless the maps is really big and open, they take a long time to aim.

    -Freshmeat (Who survives around five encounters in one evening)
     
  13. Vega-don

    Vega-don arreté pour detention de tomate prohibée

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    dont play on eas servers. Eas is for people who are really used to play the map , and they own the non regular users easily. i was owned on eas lately, although im a good player, because i am not used to all the ambush points.
    (and some map abusing points n'est ce pas mister ender)

    play tdm or dtas, it gives you a better chance , because theire is no real ambush points or choke points, it depends of the game, so you can use your envirronement and surprise your ennemy, wich is very hard in EAS.

    of course you can try eas , but youll need some time to be good
     
  14. Nukeproof

    Nukeproof n1

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    Pretty much everything said.

    Few more things:

    Don't try to use a big variety of guns in the beginning try to master a versatile one first i.e. the SIG

    Don't build too heavy or too light loadouts. One assaul rifle and 3-4 mags, LIII vest & helmet, few nades and at least one smoke nade with a total bulk around 50 should be best.

    Offline 'training' can improve some things. Aim on shootingrange, reflexes versus bots (for DM used attached mutie), mapknowledge in general (especially important in EAS) but offline tactics won't work online.

    Training aim with RealTarget (mutator) will make you hit pretty well with the vanilly hitzones (which are a lot bigger).

    In EAS (mapknowledge assumed) and DTAS its possible to play an encouraging role for your team and yourself even with lack of pure skills, whereas TDM is all about skills.

    For long distance shooting against moving targets maps like Road to Kandahar ExtremePrejudice or Atoll are quite nice, create a large a bot team vs you alone and try to shot 'em one by one.

    All in all: Give it four weeks and you gonna look a whole lot better :)
     

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  15. randomas

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    find a dark spot, hide, be patient and eventually a hostile target will amble past you letting you release frustration sending a few magazines of lead in his direction.

    There's something very zen about INF, wait by the stream and your enemy will eventually float past you.

    Oh and spend some time in the shooting range trying different guns and loaouts ...

    Welcome and good luck.

    By the way I'm one of the resident easy targets round here so you may want to take my advice wih a pinch of salt.
     
  16. {GD}Ghost

    {GD}Ghost Counter Terrorist Operative

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    My tips:

    1). Engage the enemy at the furthest possible effective range.
    2). Do not try to play INF like those other online FPSs out there.
    3). Practice, practice, practice.
    4). Use cover and concealment when in a firefight. Running out gun blazing like Rambo does not....or shouldn't ever work except in rare, fluke cases. (unfortunately, we've got alot of these dumbasses that play INF and right now the game caters to that bull****, but don't learn that "tactic"; it'll probably be changing soon.
    5). Stealth is your friend. Learn it.
    6). Did I mention practice?
     
  17. NTKB

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    I would do the one on one thing with him, but I will only show you some basic stuff and you gotta get TS (teamspeak) so I dont lose cartilage typing out everything I need to tell you. If you would like, PM me with some times your available and ill show you some basic stuff to keep you alive (no advanced stuff, you need to learn that on your own like everyone else). When i said patience, I meant patience with EVERYTHING. With learning the game, with some of the bugs etc. This game isnt that hard to learn, it doesnt have that many buttons or controls, BUT it does have an extremely steep curve to master it. So be patient!
     
  18. Harrm

    Harrm I am watching porns.

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    Use the Sig551. As you play INF, you will find yourself constantly returning to this weapon. Some of the best players in INF use this as their primary gun, and it's a favorite matching weapon, since it is the most "middle ground" of all the guns.

    Also, spend time in the shooting range to get your shooting down pat, and learn to aim grenades.

    Just take it slow, and have a ton of patience, and you will do fine.

    --Harrm
     
  19. Crowze

    Crowze Bird Brain

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    The Sig551 is a good starter weapon, but don't get too fixed on it. Try out the whole Inf arsenal, either on the range or online, so you can both choose a weapon which both fits your immediate circumstance and your personal preference, and you know how to handle a weapon if you are in desperate need to looot one from a corpse.

    Asking questions is the only way to learn. I've found the Inf community to be one of the most friendly and helpful around - but as NTKB says, try not to impose too much on people playing the game.

    Read the manual. It will save a LOT of questions, like how to set up claymores, which is a very usefull skill to have. Be sure to read up on ReportDirection as well - nearly all servers run this mutator, and it is a great assistant to teamwork.

    Finally... try not to get frustrated if you're not winning as much as you'd like to begin with. Bear in mind that some people have been playing inf for 4+ years, so they're bound to know how to handle the situation. You'll learn best by keeping a cool head and thinking how else you could have approached the problem.
     
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  20. {GD}Ghost

    {GD}Ghost Counter Terrorist Operative

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    The P-90 isn't too bad of a starter weapon either. This is what I used when I first started playing alot.
     

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