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Juba - Insurgent Sniper

Discussion in 'Off Topic' started by 5eleven, Dec 4, 2005.

  1. 5eleven

    5eleven I don't give a f**k, call the Chaplain

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    Anyone heard about this alleged insurgent sniper in Iraq? And forgive me, I don't remember which UK paper is known as a rag.
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,12271,1542824,00.html
    Anyone that's heard of this have any other good links or stories? Looks like we have a new Vassili Zaitsev? True, or propoganda tool for the insurgency? I heard there are some videos on the web that are purported to be taken from the snipers nest.

    EDIT - Well, here's a really good insurgent video sniper compilation - 15 min. Relatively graphic. You've been warned.
    http://ia300204.us.archive.org/3/it...per/al-jaishul-islami-baghdad-sniper-24mb.wmv
     
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  2. cracwhore

    cracwhore I'm a video game review site...

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    Can't you camel-fucking, terrorist sons of bitches learn how to properly encode a fucking video? What does that say about your Jihad - when you can't even make a decent presentation? I just watched 'JUBA' shoot colored blocks for ten minutes, while listening to annoying music. Am I suppose to be impressed? Do you think you're taking this arthouse piece to Sundance?

    D- 'JUBA'. You can't even keep the infidel in the frame - noob. Plus, you fired twice. What kind of sniper are you? Fag. See me after class.

    'JUBA'? - what a faggot name. He's probably chokin' dicks while facing Makkah al-Mukarramah. Carlos Hathcock and Vasily Zaitev would pwn him and then cremate his remains - and they're dead.
     
  3. 5eleven

    5eleven I don't give a f**k, call the Chaplain

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    Based on the article, and based on the propoganda value that the insurgency would put on the video, I highly doubt that the sniper in the video is "Juba". Might be the same person, but I doubt that it's even the same shooter in all of the segments. In addition, I didn't see too many headshots. Most of them were either arms or legs, or most common - center mass, while the soldier was obviously wearing armor.
     
  4. UN17

    UN17 Taijutsu Specialist

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    Is that what american soldiers are doing in Iraq? Standing around in the open or sitting on their tanks waiting to be shot, ambushed, bombed, sniped, etc, by any insurgent in the street? I feel sad for those guys, especially the one who got shot while eating his sandwich.

    It's one thing to die in war fighting a radical religous army. It's another to get sniped while standing around waiting for the Bush administration to end it's 8 year run.
     
  5. Arethusa

    Arethusa We will not walk in fear.

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    I find it questionable that there even is a Juba. One sniper? Sounds too much like propaganda, even if it sort of happened(ish) once before. Not impossible; just setting my bullshit alarms off.
     
  6. 5eleven

    5eleven I don't give a f**k, call the Chaplain

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    I dunno. Seems from the article that "Juba" operates in a specific area - so I suppose it's plausible. I ran across some wacked out "death to zion" site that claimed that "Juba" is an Israeli sniper because he has a camera attached to the rifle, and apparently only the Israelis do that. :rolleyes:
     
  7. Cap'n Beeb

    Cap'n Beeb Banned

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    Calm down, champ.
     
  8. cracwhore

    cracwhore I'm a video game review site...

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    It's called a 'joke' - guy.
     
  9. Crazy_Ivan

    Crazy_Ivan KAR whore

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    Probably frustrated Rep Guard or other saddam era special forces... chance that he's a foreigner is quite small given his accuracy and knowledge of the area (as in being able to stay undetected)
     
  10. Cap'n Beeb

    Cap'n Beeb Banned

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    Racism sure is a laugh riot.
     
  11. cracwhore

    cracwhore I'm a video game review site...

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    The corrent term is 'xenophobia' - or, in a more modern sense - 'patriotism'.

    And yes, I agree. It's quite hilarious.
     
  12. TheShiningWizard

    TheShiningWizard Because it's more fantastical.

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    You've laughed at all kinds of improper crap in IRC and on the boards, Beeb. Don't be a sanctimonious son of a bitch :p
     
  13. Cap'n Beeb

    Cap'n Beeb Banned

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    Don't tell me what not to be :mad:
     
  14. 5eleven

    5eleven I don't give a f**k, call the Chaplain

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    Hate to steer this back on topic, but I'm interested in anyone's thoughts regarding the story/existence of "Juba". :)
     
  15. MP_Lord_Kee

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    I haven't read up on the subject but I wouldn't be surprised if "Juba" existed for real. It is not unheard of that in war there are snipers that rise above the rest. Google for Simo Häyhä and "White Death" for example :)

    Don't know about that video though, could be "Juba" atleast on some shots I guess...

    //K

    Off-topic but interesting for some I guess:
    http://www.snipercountry.com/BVT_Reviews/RiflesWhiteDeath.asp
     
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  16. Rostam

    Rostam PSN: Rostam_

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    I'm glad that their propaganda disgusts me just as much as ours. More specific on the video, the low quality is an act of brilliance. If they did it in purpose, then they are a lot better at propaganda than I thought. All you see the entire video long are uniforms, and Bush his face. You see a guy getting killed while eating but that's pretty much the only time you see something more than just a uniform.

    By the way, those guys in tanks that he gets a shot at, are those officers? It seems somewhat terrifying that somebody with his skill would shoot so many grunts.

    On the question if there is one juba or not, well there isn't enough info, really. But any answer would be scary, one skilled sniper capable of this or a dozen, it doesn't seem to matter.

    By the way, the different quality that was to be seen in the video does seem to suggest several snipers.
     
  17. Harrm

    Harrm I am watching porns.

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    'Juba' is probably not one guy, but maybe a set of men all trained to use this tactic for the sake of propaganda. Plus, I doubt he is specifically pakistani. Anyone can learn to do anything given some time, and training camps were set up for a looong time before we ever intervened.

    Yes, most of our men are in the open, because the current tactic is to show that we are there in force and have our men stand where they can be seen. I disagree with this strategy immensely, but hey, that's the way the dice have rolled.

    If it were up to me, the next place in which Juba strikes again would be nuked, no questions asked. Maybe that would give an incentive for the Iraqi people to do some backing up.

    --Harrm
     
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  18. Cap'n Beeb

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    Yes, a nuke will solve everything.
     
  19. chuckus

    chuckus Can't stop the bum rush.

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    Yeh the tactic is called presence of force. If six guys who would normally think of starting **** see a tank and six other guys with automatic weapons, they might not feel like starting some **** anymore..... That's the idea anyway.

    edit: just watched the video. What a crappy way to start off the day.
     
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  20. 5eleven

    5eleven I don't give a f**k, call the Chaplain

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    I don't think so, regarding American "tactics". Checkpoints must be manned, and can't be manned from the safety of an armored vehicle. In addition, I think the tactic that is trying to be employed IS visibility. It is putting troops out on patrols in the neighborhoods, along the lines of "community policing". It's unfortunate that it creates a target for the small number of insurgents, but it's part of a bigger "hearts and minds" campaign, IMO.

    However, what's funny that I haven't heard, is a loud cry complaining that the insurgents are putting so many civilians at risk. How many times did you see a shot fired in the presence of pedestrian traffic, across vehicular traffic, or while children walked along or in front of the "target". It just smells to me of the same double standard. Contractors are putting civilians at risk by shooting rapidly approaching vehicles on Route Irish, but snipers firing through pedestrian and vehicular traffic aren't. You'll also notice that the troops, when trying to determine the origin of the fire, are using pretty damned good fire discipline.
     

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