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BigBlue_[XpK]

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it's a pain but

I've switched back to using an M16 with the nadelauncher....if someone prones at long range I drop a nade on him....if they prone close to me I send a hail of bullets on them with a shotty

It's making me a better player...a lot quicker
 

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the bug wouldn't be TOO annoying...but its terrible when the opponent prones in a corner, and all you can see is his backpack..thats the worst.
 

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I hate it when people go prone two feet away from you and blow out your knee caps. You then tell them to not go prone two feet away from you again but they say "But it's part of game so stop whining". That is what pisses me off the most, the people who feel they are entitled to exploit the bugs in this MOD. Damn those people......
 

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yup, i dont go prone in cqb, but when i see some1 in longe range, i go prone first so he wont be able to see me so easily, i also do this when im shot at but i dont know where!
But as u said (and there are a lot of peeps with us on this one!), going instant prone is lame! u can go prone faster then my ping is so its impossible 4 me to kill ya!
What pisses me off even more are peeps that lean and then say "the animation runs well if u take a few steps back", who ever said this (incl me) was wrong! I have been killed by a leaner that took 5 steps back from the wall and he was still invicible!

Just a thought, but INF ran well without lean... why activate lean and risk so many bugs?
 

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Yeah, CQB proning is exploiting the bug, but there's nothing wrong with proning at long range or if getting shot at from an unknown source - or if laying in ambush.

Some people on the servers seem to be losing the plot a bit now though and complain if you prone in any situation :(
 

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Originally posted by Uppity
Yeah, CQB proning is exploiting the bug, but there's nothing wrong with proning at long range or if getting shot at from an unknown source - or if laying in ambush.

Some people on the servers seem to be losing the plot a bit now though and complain if you prone in any situation :(


Has everyone forgotten that the hit box is STILL messed up? Because of "insta prone" the hit box situation is just acceptable now. That is so sad. Prone is prone, if you do it you are just as bad as anyone else who does it.

Like it is ok when the guys are sticking funny ways off a roof and you fire off like 20 rounds at them and hit nothing before their ****ty ass aim FINALLY hits you when you had been standing still the whole time.

Prone protects players better then their aim does. I have yet to find a real use for prone. And it is even bugged to hell now. When it is fixed it will be totally useless. I have no problem doing well w/o ever using prone or leaning. Sure if i used prone i'd do way better, but anyone can do that.

Using a 40mm to take out a prone guy is equally as stupid. You solve nothing.

And if you buy into the "it's part of the game" speech, you are ****ed reguardless.
 

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Just a thought, but INF ran well without lean... why activate lean and risk so many bugs?

I say it's worth the risk. Almost all of theINF maps are urban/suburban areas require leaning for good cover. I just watched Full Metal Jacket last night (for like the 900th time) and realized,but with a few exceptions, how realistically the marines moved in a tactically aware environment. With the exceptions of how bunched up they were, the movements they made throughout the battle of Hue City were pretty much up to RL standards. And you would notice how much leaning was used in a given situation. Plenty of that movie was pure "hollywood" but the movements were pretty good.
This is about the best way I can relate RL military stuff to those who don't know, through movies. At least with a movie you can see how it works instead of reading endless lines of text.
 

BrownCow

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it wasn't in .3

It seemed to explode in .5 and 10x more people are doing it. A certain amount of proning don't bother me, but when 3 guys are all prone in a room on crates and stuff that is a bit much.

One cow can only take so much proning!

Just seems that more times then not, a player that is prone survives longer because of the bug, not because they are prone or in a "good spot". So when prone is fixed those players, and there are many of you, will no longer do good by sitting prone. Prone isn't all that smart unless you looking to quick jump to cover. Otherwise you are all sprawled out and very valnurable.

I know prone will be fixed so we just have to wait. Nades are a diff story. But oh well.
 

Rostam

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Yeah stormcaller, ur right, leaning can mean the end of rushers, cuz right now my tactic is: if u move slowely, they can hit ur side, so better move round corners real fast so u can shoot back! so leaning may mean the end of this bull tactic...
 

BrownCow

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Originally posted by Rostam
Yeah stormcaller, ur right, leaning can mean the end of rushers, cuz right now my tactic is: if u move slowely, they can hit ur side, so better move round corners real fast so u can shoot back! so leaning may mean the end of this bull tactic...

how on earth is that gunna stop a "rusher" that can aim well?
 

Rostam

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Originally posted by BrownCow


how on earth is that gunna stop a "rusher" that can aim well?

Its easy, when i stand near a wall, some1 can see my shoulder and kill me while i dont see anything! so better move round corners real fast, this way u atleast see em 2! Leaning will alow u 2 look round corners without having 2 question if some1 u cant see is seeing u....
 

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Originally posted by BrownCow

Has everyone forgotten that the hit box is STILL messed up? Because of "insta prone" the hit box situation is just acceptable now. That is so sad. Prone is prone, if you do it you are just as bad as anyone else who does it.

Like it is ok when the guys are sticking funny ways off a roof and you fire off like 20 rounds at them and hit nothing before their ****ty ass aim FINALLY hits you when you had been standing still the whole time.

Prone protects players better then their aim does. I have yet to find a real use for prone. And it is even bugged to hell now. When it is fixed it will be totally useless. I have no problem doing well w/o ever using prone or leaning. Sure if i used prone i'd do way better, but anyone can do that.

Using a 40mm to take out a prone guy is equally as stupid. You solve nothing.

And if you buy into the "it's part of the game" speech, you are ****ed reguardless.

Be civil.

Anyhow - If you read my post you will see that I was stating that it is down to the circumstances. Proning on crates is out if you ask me - because you just couldn't fit - same with sticking out over ledges - you would fall over.

But there is NOTHING repeat NOTHING wrong with two guys at the opposite ends of a long road laying on the floor and trading shots. The hitbox is fine from the front or back - only messed up from above or the side. And who sits there facing away from the guy who is shooting at them?

There ARE situations when proning is fine. One of the coolest things I saw in Inf (not long after I first started playing - and so it was one of the things which kept me playing) was just this kind of shootout in EP - with both guys proned, at long range, using assault-rifles (no nades).

FYI. I rarely prone anyway bacause it slows me down too much (although I do do it). I NEVER use nades of any kind and don't have any problems tackling a proner at long range.
 

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i agree, nothing wrong with long range proning.

but close... well i hate it when you fire a guy who disapear at your feet and shoot you.. you feel really silly.

and im not mentioning telefrag...
 

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I do have a problem with prone. I've heard it said that when the target is facing you the hitbox is not a problem but it is. And it especially a problem if you are using a good long range open sights weapon (M-16 or SIG-551). Of course, this is all i use, I never use an ACOG, but most people do use a scope. So it may not be as much as a problem for them. That is why I do not complain about it on-line. If the majority of people can deal with it, so can I. There are bigger fish to fry than this. And all these issues will be deep-sixed with 2.86. I cannot wait for this.
 

Anrky

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The *2* things I hate most that people exploint at the:

1) insta prone drop in front of you

2) the prone'ers who back up into a corner so they can only see say 5% of the body



Being prone on a hill or sniping is fine it's the campers and lamers that use it to a point of stupidity. I don't stay on servers anymore with people who abuse prone with the above 2 items. it's just stupid.