Intel's Conroe: AMD gets a whoopin'
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Yes, hence the more done per clock.ZenPirate said:
The Lowdown:
AMD64:
low clockspeed
Short pipelines
comparievely small cache
Hypertransport
Old Intel (ala P4):
high clockspeed
huge long pipelines
large cache
slow bus
New Intel (Pentium M + Conroe)
Low clockspeed
high cache
Short pipelines
faster bus, but still not as good as Hypertransport.
I'm still expecting AMD to seriously ramp up clockspeeds when Conroe comes out and suddenly piss in Intels Coffee (metaphorically speaking)
So what ?
There is no software available (for 'normal' users) that is multi-thread aware to the point of it being significantly faster on dual-core cpu's (regardless of it being AMD or Intel).
There's even less that can handle quad-core ...
Note that more cores also means more problems managing multiple processes. It's not exactly 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 = 4.
It's more like 1 + 1 = 1.5 and 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 = 2.5 if you're lucky.
Altough there's a small chance that games will support it since UE3 will be able to use that advantage ... it'll be a while before there's enough games out there to make that update worth the money.
And seriously ... when was the last time the average user needed something heavier than MS Word or Outlook ?
Heck ... I'd say the only reason anyone is going to 'need' this much power is because Vista won't run otherwise. And that's kind of stupid, don't you think ?
There is no software available (for 'normal' users) that is multi-thread aware to the point of it being significantly faster on dual-core cpu's (regardless of it being AMD or Intel).
There's even less that can handle quad-core ...
Note that more cores also means more problems managing multiple processes. It's not exactly 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 = 4.
It's more like 1 + 1 = 1.5 and 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 = 2.5 if you're lucky.
Altough there's a small chance that games will support it since UE3 will be able to use that advantage ... it'll be a while before there's enough games out there to make that update worth the money.
And seriously ... when was the last time the average user needed something heavier than MS Word or Outlook ?
Heck ... I'd say the only reason anyone is going to 'need' this much power is because Vista won't run otherwise. And that's kind of stupid, don't you think ?
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There are many benefits from Multi-core processers.
Whilst there is not a huge amount of software that actively makes use of both cores (I know 7z is multithreaded, and compressing is a huge amount faster than on my old single core chip) multitasking brings these chips into there own.
I would love to see someone with a pure single core (hence excluding P4 Hyperthreading) try to easily cope with general computer use whilst running a virus scan or anything else cpu intensive, guaranteed. Also try playing a fairly old game (just to give it a chance) ie UT99, whilst converting MP3's to WMA's.
Once quadcore comes along this will occur even more, cores sharing out processes between them.
Handling multiple processes is not as complex as you seem to think, the process is just given to the least active core.... that was complicated wasn't it
btw, I am writing this message whilst doing a full system virus scan with AVG plus a spyware scan with Adaware. Meanwhile my computer is still pretty resposive considering both cores are under constant use, my music isn't even stuttering
oh and ps, all the affintys are set automatically
Whilst there is not a huge amount of software that actively makes use of both cores (I know 7z is multithreaded, and compressing is a huge amount faster than on my old single core chip) multitasking brings these chips into there own.
I would love to see someone with a pure single core (hence excluding P4 Hyperthreading) try to easily cope with general computer use whilst running a virus scan or anything else cpu intensive, guaranteed. Also try playing a fairly old game (just to give it a chance) ie UT99, whilst converting MP3's to WMA's.
Once quadcore comes along this will occur even more, cores sharing out processes between them.
Handling multiple processes is not as complex as you seem to think, the process is just given to the least active core.... that was complicated wasn't it
btw, I am writing this message whilst doing a full system virus scan with AVG plus a spyware scan with Adaware. Meanwhile my computer is still pretty resposive considering both cores are under constant use, my music isn't even stuttering
oh and ps, all the affintys are set automatically
See ... that's the problem right there.
You're creating a solution for a problem that doesn't exist to begin with.
UT'99 ? Any single-core cpu worth a damn can easily handle that game and remain responsive. And even if you must convert + play UT'99 ... that old pc that used to run UT'99 can do so again, while your new pc does the conversion. You're making it sound like you have to do daily conversions (never mind that converting mp3 to WMA is bloody useless and can be done on-the-fly by any semi-decent cpu).
Virus-scan ? It's not something you *need* to do while working (let it run at night if you must). And there's the added benifit of not accidentaly spreading viruses or starting an infected application ...
Faster ? Sure ...
More responsive ? oh ... but wouldn't your computer be even more responsive if you stick to doing a single task at once ?
Worth the expenses ? Seriously doubt it.
I guess I'm too used to DOS
You're creating a solution for a problem that doesn't exist to begin with.
UT'99 ? Any single-core cpu worth a damn can easily handle that game and remain responsive. And even if you must convert + play UT'99 ... that old pc that used to run UT'99 can do so again, while your new pc does the conversion. You're making it sound like you have to do daily conversions (never mind that converting mp3 to WMA is bloody useless and can be done on-the-fly by any semi-decent cpu).
Virus-scan ? It's not something you *need* to do while working (let it run at night if you must). And there's the added benifit of not accidentaly spreading viruses or starting an infected application ...
Faster ? Sure ...
More responsive ? oh ... but wouldn't your computer be even more responsive if you stick to doing a single task at once ?
Worth the expenses ? Seriously doubt it.
I guess I'm too used to DOS
JaFO said:
I guess its just a case of whether you have used one or not.
I know myself, I could never go back to a single core processer, and I am sure I a mnot the only one in this situation.
The_Head said:
I guess its just a case of whether you have used one or not.
I know myself, I could never go back to a single core processer, and I am sure I a mnot the only one in this situation.
Having just moved to dual core AMD myself, I must agree. *everything* is more responsive. It's really something you have to experience for yourself to appreciate.
BobCobb said:
It will continue to shrink until it reaches negative length and starts to implode. A 'black hole' of sorts will form sucking in all form of matter around your crotch area.
You better upgrade quick man.
MrSmiles said:
To whoever belive in that stupid stuff. Who say they will not come with a E-Penis technology, procecors 16 times faster than the current dual core procecor using all different kind of stuff.
Actually, yeah, im on my cloud right now. But who cares about the Quad SILLY.