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I'm voting Republican.

Discussion in 'Off Topic' started by T2A`, Jun 10, 2008.

  1. BillyBadAss

    BillyBadAss Strong Cock of The North

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    Growing up around gay people and having some stay with us from time to time when I was a kid showed me that you are completely wrong. These people are very much normal people. They aren't deviants and they share interests the same as you and I. I honestly believe that when their sex was being determined in the womb, their brain developed as a girl, but they obviously have male hormones, so they act a little like guys, but are sexually attracted to other men.

    I agree it's not normal in the sense that the brain didn't develop correctly, but why should they be held accountable for that or even be judged. It's not something that drags down society and they are totally functional. Most of them won't even bother to hit on you because they know you are not gay, so get over it.
     
  2. TomWithTheWeather

    TomWithTheWeather Die Paper Robots!

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    Geez dude, don't get your panties all bunched up. I'm not trying to insult you so I'm sorry if I poked a nerve in your worldview. Geez. You were the one who brought up "idiot", etc. I never thought explaining political demographics would get flamey.

    And some Republicans are Fascists. Both sides have their crazies, but none of them hold any high office. They are always on the fringe and they can stay there. This is beside the point.

    You aren't an idiot because we disagree. I never said that.

    I never said I agreed fully with what Kennedy said. I seriously doubt he really believes that 100% of conservatives are idiots. You said he made a few extreme statements? If you think those statements are wrong, why don't you challenge them? Post here your researched response to his statements. All you've done so far is demonstrate that his statements (and some of mine) make you feel like you are being called an idiot.

    My point is, is that "red" area tend to be more rural while "blue" areas tend to be more urban, coastal, and multicultural. That doesn't mean there aren't some "purple" areas, there are.

    You could say the exact same thing about Republicans. In an election year, both sides are going to try and "sound" the best.

    Did you even look at that video I linked to? Tell me how McCain's tax plan is better than Obama's for the poor and middle class. And how is a universal health care program less compassionate? You have to explain these things when you disagree. You have to give some solid reasons for why you disagree.

    You could flip the coin here. I could easily say the same thing about most conservative people I've met. The problem here isn't so much that one side is right or wrong, it's that there is a fundamental difference in thought process between the two. One side is always going to see the other as "wrong".

    I don't watch pundit shows. They aren't "news". They tend to be some talking head voicing his opinion about some news topic. I probably watch as much of Bill O'Rielly as I do Keith Olbermann when someone links me to an online video clip.

    Objective news articles, whether they be from Fox or MSNBC, are just that; news articles. Bits of information about something going on in the world. There is no problem with where they come from so long as they are written objectively.

    So in your opinion, "country bumpkin" = idiot? I think you took my point as causation when really all I'm talking about is correlation.

    Well good for you.

    I never said all of them were. So what is "truly open-minded" in your opinion?

    So you are saying that liberals are non-religious? Shoot, most liberals I know are Christians themselves.

    That may be true. I can only speak for myself though. Simply disagreeing with someone doesn't mean that person is "unyielding" in their views though. Unyielding is not changing your view in the face of evidence to the contrary.

    You could make a ten page thread on each. :p


    But in science, a "theory" is what we use to describe a large amount of facts and evidence. In science, nothing is totally, 100% ever "proved". Theories only become more and more solid, evolve, and change as new evidence and facts arise.

    http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/evolution-fact.html

    You can't shrug it away by saying, "it's just a theory". That's the oldest apologetic trick in the book.

    Yup. He never has been a Muslim. He was raised Christian by his grandmother, if I remember correctly.

    That's debatable. There is evidence that much of the change we are seeing is due to an increase over the last hundred years or so of man-made carbon emissions (cars, unclean factories, industrialized livestock production, etc.), but there are a whole lot of links in the chain that keeps the climate stable. If that evidence was obviously wrong or pointing to other causes, the many scientists studying it would be the first to say so.

    It's not unnatural, it's just uncommon. Being gay is a natural, biological state in much the same way that being straight is. Yes, our bodies did evolve with male/female sexual differences for the sake of procreation, but occasionally, the genes line up differently, and someone is born gay. It happens in nature all the time with many animal species. Humans are no different. It's not "right or wrong", it's just different.

    Having said that, I think everyone should have the right to express their love and commitment to each other with a contract of marraige if they wish. Christianity didn't invent marriage and doesn't hold a monopoly on it. You said above that you'd defend the right to watch whatever news channel you wish. So why not honor the rights of a homosexual couple by allowing them all the same perks as a heterosexual couple? No one is asking you to be gay, just to accept the fact that other people are and it's ok. Where's your "compassionate conservatism" now?

    That's fine; your opinion. I have heard things that lead me to believe that Obama would be a better candidate. There is a lot of rhetoric about "change", but once you read deeper into some of his policy ideas, there are a lot of things that would be done differently from at least the last 8 years. And that's good enough for me. The previous administration has been mostly destructive.

    So what would be a more fair comparison, speaking in a general way? I never said there was anything inherently wrong with "country bumpkins" just that they, on average, tend to be less informed than city-living people. It's not a matter of "right and wrong", it's a matter of information flow and access. I grew up as a fairly conservative "country bumpkin" from a small town in eastern North Carolina. Those are my people. In the last five years, after moving to Dallas, TX, I've been exposed to much more cultural diversity, media, etc, than I would have ever been if I stayed in small-town NC. It's that exposure and experience that's pushed many of my views to the left.

    So do it. It seems like, by what you are saying, that I've done that to you, so now you do it to me. I love me a good chance to get schooled. Getting pwned is the best way to learn. :)

    What would be an accurate representation? I was never claiming to be that accurate in my statements above. I was generalizing.

    That's true for many voters, but how much information do you need in order to be able to make an informed decision? Informed could be someone who votes for McCain because he likes his stance on the war in Iraq. Informed could be someone who votes for Obama because he knows his stance on the war in Iraq. Informed probably isn't the guy who votes for a particular candidate because he's the guy whom he would most like to "have a beer with".

    My point is, political opinion is way different than being objectively informed or not, though sometimes being objectively informed or not can affect your political opinion. ;)
     
  3. Soggy_Popcorn

    Soggy_Popcorn THE Irish Ninja

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    I didn't read your whole post; crazy long, but this one almost made me laugh with its ridiculousness.

    Fascism is not right wing; it's not the "right wing equivalent" to Communism on the left, as many believe. It is actually quite a leftist philosophy, since it is simply a branch of Socialism that turned out a little differently from Communism, but shares its basic concepts. People seem to think that it's right wing, probably because it usually involves more patriotic nationalistic stuff than Communism, which is more of a globalist type thing.

    The point is, they're both just different branches of Socialism, which is left-wing.

    *edit* For being such "tolerant," "progressive" people, you seem quite unwilling to let Crotale have his own opinion. If he thinks it's wrong, that's entirely okay, just like you guys all thinking Christianity is wrong is okay. As long as neither of you imposes your views on the other.

    Jesus, I had to frickin explain your own liberalism to you. What kind of liberals are you?!!
     
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  4. TomWithTheWeather

    TomWithTheWeather Die Paper Robots!

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    You sure? :eek:

    So just because I am debating what he's posted, that makes me intolerant and non-progressive? That doesn't make any sense. :lol:
     
  5. Sirius

    Sirius Meh

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    Ok....it's time to post this:
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    nuff said.
     
  6. TomWithTheWeather

    TomWithTheWeather Die Paper Robots!

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    Of that I have no doubt.

    Redding is teh hard. Understanding is even harder unfortunately, so if you don't even manage the first, there is no point for you to try the second.
     
  8. SkaarjMaster

    SkaarjMaster enemy of time

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    and underage boys too.;)
     
  9. Mister_Prophet

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    Did you just make this up for the sake of the thread or did someone actually teach you this? Communism and Fascism, by definition, are polar opposites of each other. They are on opposite sides of the spectrum. Not a leftist spectrum but a left-right spectrum.


    There are other factors that make up both that have little to do with Socialism or targeting a weak socialist audience.
     
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  10. Grobut

    Grobut Комиссар Гробут

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    Does the constitution not garuentee freedom and the pursuit of happyness for all? and not just select groups that the majority like and agree with?
    And is it not the resposibillity of the government to uphold thease ideals, even if some group is unpopular?

    Do you even understand what the issue of gay marriage is? its not about marriage, its about the law.
    There are many laws set in place that means only a married couple enjoys full legal rights in certain situations, most notably if one of them gets seriously injured or even killed, or if one of them gets trialed by law, aslong as such laws exist, denying gay people thease rights is making them into second-class citizens and is grossly unconstitutional.

    And for what!? because you dont "agree" with their lifestyle? thease people are hurting noone, they are not a danger, they are fully functional members of society, and who are we to judge what they do behind cloused doors as concenting adults? lots of straight couples also engage in some very wierd stuff.. should they be next? should the federal government keep tabs on what people do in their bedrooms to insure they only use the missionary position?

    If you find it gross and nasty, i can sympathise, most straight men do, and i dont digg the whole gay thing either, but that doesen't give us the right to dictate what others should or should not do with their own body, or take away their legal rights to visit their loved one in hospital and get a say in their medical treatment, or the right to not testify against them in court.
    They are human beeings, and US citizens, and that means they should have the same rights to care for and protect their loved ones as everyone else.


    As for Mormons having several wives, i coulden't care less, if thats what they want i don't see the harm in it, but the problem is that thease marriages are not allways between consenting adults, they tend to also happen with young kids, and against the "brides" wishes, and that is infringing on their rights.

    You coulden't be any more wrong even if you tried..

    You are obviously thinking of the USSR here, so let me tell you a little secret about thouse guys: Stalin was a scumbag, a dictator, and he did not give his people what he promised them.

    Communism, as invisioned by Marx, was a leftist economic and political system, and that is what the Russian people wanted, but it is so far from what they got its allmost funny.. when Stalin siezed power he gave them something entirely different from what Marx had envisioned, he gave them Facism, an extreme rightwing political system, togeather with Socialism, a leftist economic plan.
    So the USSR was actually an extreme right political system with poorly implimented elements of a leftwing economic system, it was both left and right, but with a strong leaning to the extreme right.

    The concept of the "left" and "right" wing dates back to the French revolution, namely the government that held power in the times after the revolution, this government was very split, it had two groups that held very different belifs for the future of France, and each occupied a different wing of the building they where in, and this is where the term was coined.
    The people on the right wing held belifs rangeing from the conservative to facist, and the people on the left wing held belifs ranging from the liberal to the anarchistic (yes, thats means the extreme of the left is anarchy, and not socialism).

    And thus, the left and the right balence out to thease polar extremes:

    Anarchy <-------- Liberal ------- Center -------- Conservative -------> Facism

    I woulden't care normally, Crotale can think whatever he wants, but elements of the relegious right is obviously not of that opinion, and are trying to blot out a group of peoples constitutional rights (or perhabs i should say: deny them equal rights just to clarify), thats not an opinion, thats a savage attack on a minority group, and on the constitution.

    Freedom and the pursuit of happyness for all is not up for debate, and it does not work if you start including "except for: xxxx" wherever you want, its a slippery slope.
    This should not even be a left versus right thing, it should be an american thing! its about upholding the very ideals the country was founded on!
     
  11. -Jes-

    -Jes- Tastefully Barking

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    This is Epic Thread.
     
  12. Benfica

    Benfica European Redneck

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    I hope the Democrats win this time. I don't care about your politic views, it's just that IMHO, keeping the same people for too long has never been good. Since the US is so powerful and interventive in the world, this election also affects me.

    btw, seeing from this side of the Atlantic, there's just one thing to consider: do you think your country is better or worse than it was when Clinton was president? If it's better vote Republican, if worse vote Democrat. No rocket science here.
     
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  13. Balton

    Balton The Beast of Worship

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    I have to disagree. what you're describing is stupid voting by the party line, which I think is one of the biggest problems in a democracy and artifically keeps that two party system alive.
     
  14. Benfica

    Benfica European Redneck

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    Maybe I am since for Europeans it's wierd at best. The thing it's just that I don't care, Americans know better than me. So I can't be sure if a different system would now be a better solution for them, I'm talking about what they have now.
     
  15. Big-Al

    Big-Al amateur de bière

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    yay anarchism:D
     
  16. Jackal

    Jackal Crapass

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    I am in this thread.
     
  17. T2A`

    T2A` I'm dead.

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  18. Iron Archer

    Iron Archer Holy ****ing King of Trolls

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  19. -Jes-

    -Jes- Tastefully Barking

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    Epic.
     
  20. Matfei

    Matfei [:«]Ω[»:]:Mױפקזג:]:

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    I am posting in this very tl;dr thread.
     

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