You did the right thing Almost. If you get jailed for that, the legal system is screwed up in Norway.
//Kee
//Kee
I might be off to jail.
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hope you dont go to jail man. the police just has no real opinions at the beggining but hopefully the trial will clear that thing.
and if you met them again be carefull they might be looking for you.
and if you met them again be carefull they might be looking for you.
Well mebbe you'd get internet access in the rare event that you do go to jail and it'd be like you never left. 
Firstly, Well done. My tactics would've been
1) kick screwdriver-dude in the balls.
2) Run
Have you had any training in self defence?
Anyway, on a lighter note: At least you didn't react like Vincent in Collateral when his briefcase was taken by the thugs: Two in the chest, one in the head.
1) kick screwdriver-dude in the balls.
2) Run
Have you had any training in self defence?
Anyway, on a lighter note: At least you didn't react like Vincent in Collateral when his briefcase was taken by the thugs: Two in the chest, one in the head.
I think all I wanted to say has already been said, so I'll just add my support. If you need anything (within reason ), feel free to ask.
*copy and paste 5eleven's post*
), feel free to ask.*copy and paste 5eleven's post*
if you go to jail well buy you and send you packed inside a big cake a Fnp90 + 3 mags to survive.. and a suppressor for the discretion
Best of luck to you. I have been at Oslo central station a few of times, but I could never imagine such a thing happen there. I think that you'll at the very most get a 'betinget dom': If you do not do anything criminal for a period of time, you will not be convicted for this. I hope that the case will be closed soon, so you do not have to live with the uncertainty.
-Freshmeat (Just adding sympathy)
-Freshmeat (Just adding sympathy)
Don't be surprised if the robbers' counsel accuses you of using excessive force against his poor misunderstood and maladjusted customers. It's not uncommon in our Scandinavian justice systems.
The best try I heard was the defense for some drugged-out idiot who had been arrested for illegal weapons, endangering the public and attempted murder. This guy freaked, pulled out a handgun and started shooting wildly in a park here in my home town. Our local police got under fire as they arrived, and didn't dare shoot back in fear of hitting something else. The crazy fled on foot, and as it happens he ran toward the police station where the veteran constable on dispatch duty decided to intervene. Imagine a 50-year old constable running down an armed man and clubbing him on the head with a pistol! It took two blows to take out this Rambo and he managed to make a 9mm hole through the constable's jacket on the way down.
And the defense counsel tries to make the police the bad ones in this scenario? Two blows on the head is called "excessive force" when the other guy is trying to shoot you?
The best try I heard was the defense for some drugged-out idiot who had been arrested for illegal weapons, endangering the public and attempted murder. This guy freaked, pulled out a handgun and started shooting wildly in a park here in my home town. Our local police got under fire as they arrived, and didn't dare shoot back in fear of hitting something else. The crazy fled on foot, and as it happens he ran toward the police station where the veteran constable on dispatch duty decided to intervene. Imagine a 50-year old constable running down an armed man and clubbing him on the head with a pistol! It took two blows to take out this Rambo and he managed to make a 9mm hole through the constable's jacket on the way down.
And the defense counsel tries to make the police the bad ones in this scenario? Two blows on the head is called "excessive force" when the other guy is trying to shoot you?
Again, thanks for the support. My initial post is more or less a blueprint of my written statement to the police and it would seem it will be easy to back up my story if the police bothers to talk to some witnesses. But you'll never know. The more I think about it, the more I tend to lean towards Rostam's explaination.
Taque, if going to jail means I lose internet access, they might as well introduce the death penalty into our justice system again
And yes, Burger. I've had some years of martial arts training.
Taque, if going to jail means I lose internet access, they might as well introduce the death penalty into our justice system again
And yes, Burger. I've had some years of martial arts training.
Rostam said:
I'm not sure I would have shot either or both of them (a lot of variables that I just don't have data on). All I was saying is that under Colorado law I would have been legally justified in shooting at least the one with the screwdriver and depending on the other guy's reaction, both of them.
Based on the description of the scene I probably would have just had to display my firearm and those two idiots would have run away ... at worse I might have had to shoot the screwdriver wielding one at which point the other would probably run away (if he did, then I can't shoot him as he flees since he'd no longer be a threat).
Shooting both of them in that situation IS self defense (at least under Colorado law) because since they are two and I am one, that creates a disparity of force which is enough to authorize me to use lethal force to defend myself (add the screwdriver to the mix and I'm doublely covered).
Disclaimer: Laws surrounding self defense vary GREATLY between states and even cities here in the US (so when compared to laws in other countries there could be even further variation). ALWAYS know the laws where you live BEFORE you have to act on them (good idea to learn it now, as you probably won't have time to crack open a law book on the street).
In Metropolitan areas in general, the law tends to be if you fight, everybody goes down, victim or not. I hate this approach. It's simply much easier to resolve cases when you do'nt have to investigate them. You just punish without discretion. Your case is solid however. These guys have a criminal history. You're squeaky clean. You stayed with them and you didn't touch the weapon. You did the right thing to stand your ground until you were POSITIVE the threat was over. The only way you could lose this is if your lawyer blows nuts (figuratively).
And on a side note:
I know a guy who was in the same position as you and he ran the moment he landed a blow. Just turned and ran as fast as he could. The other guys caught him and beat him worse. He can't hear out of one ear. You stayed and got the job done which is how it should be!
And on a side note:
I know a guy who was in the same position as you and he ran the moment he landed a blow. Just turned and ran as fast as he could. The other guys caught him and beat him worse. He can't hear out of one ear. You stayed and got the job done which is how it should be!
Yes the argument that you had a chance to run doesn't really hold up. If you can run fast then maybe but someone like me who never could run fast all I would be doing is putting my back to them and giving them a nice big target.
Yeah Almost, seems its pretty much the same everywhere, you gotta take a few blows yourself to get somewhere with the police. Ofcourse I understand also their point of view that you were the unharmed and the other guy is in hospital. But anyway it sucks. Nobody from the other people that were there can back up your story?
I'll keep my thumbs up for you and hope the best. Remember you can feel lucky that you are still here, it could've gone worse. Again one thing to remind us to be happy for what we have, as it can allways go bad.
Hope it all turns good for you Almost!
I'll keep my thumbs up for you and hope the best. Remember you can feel lucky that you are still here, it could've gone worse. Again one thing to remind us to be happy for what we have, as it can allways go bad.
Hope it all turns good for you Almost!
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Good Luck m8
I can only second what Dragoon said
and also add
This is true to a degree, But atleast in the UK is not always the case, You have to take into concideration available space and location.
Plus Being in Jail is being in Jail .. Still the same loss of freedom and Speaking from experiance, Time is relative and after being in jail you have a better concept of exactly what that means ..Weeks tend to feel more like months.
So doing Time in a prison with lesser convicts is still doing time.
And sure you wont have "Queens" (Lifers) trying to find a Gimp for entertainment, But you still get *******s who have some kind of grandure thinking they are King of the Wing and wanting to show how hard n tuff they are.
Ofcourse Thats UK , Could be differant where you are
Anyway, Id say Its Unlicky you will go to Jail, Like said already, Cops use Frighten tactics to extrac Info, And also to serve as a deterant
If you were in the UK Im pretty sure you Would get a CAUTION ( verbal recorded warning) Or a suspended Sentance
I can only second what Dragoon said
and also add
This is true to a degree, But atleast in the UK is not always the case, You have to take into concideration available space and location.
Plus Being in Jail is being in Jail .. Still the same loss of freedom and Speaking from experiance, Time is relative and after being in jail you have a better concept of exactly what that means ..Weeks tend to feel more like months.
So doing Time in a prison with lesser convicts is still doing time.
And sure you wont have "Queens" (Lifers) trying to find a Gimp for entertainment, But you still get *******s who have some kind of grandure thinking they are King of the Wing and wanting to show how hard n tuff they are.
Ofcourse Thats UK , Could be differant where you are
Anyway, Id say Its Unlicky you will go to Jail, Like said already, Cops use Frighten tactics to extrac Info, And also to serve as a deterant
If you were in the UK Im pretty sure you Would get a CAUTION ( verbal recorded warning) Or a suspended Sentance
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Man your computer goes down and it all happens ..... uh good luck as everyones just about said all that can be.
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Well look at the bright side. Your alive and unharmed. You defended yourself with justified force. Get a lawyer, and stick to your story. I don't know the law, but i have a feeling that if the other two were known trouble makers, the worst you'd probably be looking at realistically would be something like a fine, or public service or whatever.
The only thing that i'd be worried about is that these trouble makers might decided to take things to the next level when they get out or manage to avoid jail.
The only thing that i'd be worried about is that these trouble makers might decided to take things to the next level when they get out or manage to avoid jail.
gg Almost. I'm always happy to hear stories of streetmuggers being knocked out. These money+cellphone thefts are happening so much where i live. I know exactly how you felt making the decision to either stand or run.
I took the advice from many and talked to a lawyer this morning. He tells me there is no way in hell I'm going to jail for this. And so my heart rate has dropped to something that might be considered normal
As far as I know, the incident is still in the investigation-stage and I haven't been charged with anything, which is good. Knowing how the police here work, being undermanned and underpaid, an investigation could take months and I'm still going to be a bit nervous until I get the final word that no charges will be brought against me. If anyone should go to jail for this, it's the guys who tried to rob me.
Edit : Yeah, I'm a bit worried that they might try to get back at me, especially if they are in one of the two major gangs in Oslo. However, I refuse to spend my time being afraid of someone and what they might try to do. Guns are not as easy to come by in this country as they are elsewhere, so an attack will most likely come in the form of a knife or similar. I think I'm as prepaired as I can be for something like that. It's "easier" to handle a knife at point blank than a gun, 20 meteres away. Not that there's anything easy about being attacked, with any form of weapon. It's out the question to start carrying a weapon myself though
As far as I know, the incident is still in the investigation-stage and I haven't been charged with anything, which is good. Knowing how the police here work, being undermanned and underpaid, an investigation could take months and I'm still going to be a bit nervous until I get the final word that no charges will be brought against me. If anyone should go to jail for this, it's the guys who tried to rob me.
Edit : Yeah, I'm a bit worried that they might try to get back at me, especially if they are in one of the two major gangs in Oslo. However, I refuse to spend my time being afraid of someone and what they might try to do. Guns are not as easy to come by in this country as they are elsewhere, so an attack will most likely come in the form of a knife or similar. I think I'm as prepaired as I can be for something like that. It's "easier" to handle a knife at point blank than a gun, 20 meteres away. Not that there's anything easy about being attacked, with any form of weapon. It's out the question to start carrying a weapon myself though
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