How many Infiltration weapons does your country's armed forces/CT-groups use?

[Mosquito]

How many Infiltration weapons does your country's armed forces/CT-groups use?

Finns use MP5A3, Benelli shotgun, modified version of AT-4, PSG-1, Beretta pistol and their own Kalashnikov copies. So this makes 5 weapons if we don't include Aksu...

"Nobody respects a country with a poor army. I raise my toast to Finland." -Stalin

 

[Galaddin]

uh... all i've seen is the m-16 used by our armed forces but shakken assures me there are mp5's... a little help shakken? I_Abuga?

It is impossible for the glass to be half full or half empty for you see: there is no glass

 

[ShakKen]

MP5s are about it in this damn place. Our police force uses the A4 version, our army uses the A4 and A5 variants.

M16A1s aplenty. Though we are supposed to adopt either the AUG(AUSTEYR) or the SAR-21 quite soon.

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[Bad.Mojo]

If we're saying Counter-Terror forces, I imagine that includes federal, provincial, and regional Counter-Terror elements as well, and thus incorporates paramilitary outfits such as the police.

And I take offence at being called American.

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[Snakeye]

Wasn't there once some nice little quarrel about a poor man who had a quote from Goering?
Why does nobody say anything against quotes from Stalin?

Strange world..
Strange minds..

Snakeye

anything you do can get you killed, including doing nothing

 

[Bad.Mojo]

I dunno, probably for the same reason I respect Stalin and Hitler. Sure, they were off their rockers, but they were tactical ****ing geniuses -- look how long one empire lasted against the entire world.

I use the term empire losely here.

Besides, somebody "evil" acknowledging somebody "good" generally shows alot of respect. Evil people don't like admitting anybody is better than them.

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[MikeeUSA]

2 bad hitler waz racist and killed 12million of my doggz, 6million were jews

And no i'm not jewish, i'm cathloic

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[Nightpaw]

... and if one of those mad dogs made it to Canada to set up an outpost of his empire of terror, murder and torture there, not one Canadian would even dare to mention the word "respect" while talking about them. IMHO, those bastards died far too easy. Hitler was the most evil maniac ever to stalk earth. And he did not even stop at his own high ranking officers. Anybody who dared to show doubt about his strategies was forced to commit suicide or killed. Ever heard about Generalfeldmarschall Rommel? He was one of Germanys most brilliant officers and as soon as he became aware of the idioty of his "Fuehrer", he had to die.

"He jests at scars, that never felt a wound."

 

[Bad.Mojo]

I'm not saying Hitler wasn't bad, I'm saying he was brilliant - which he was. He was just evil. Thankfully we had some pretty brilliant people on our side too.

Besides, the first thing you learn in the army is never disrespect the enemy -- disrespecting them is underestimating them.

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[Nightpaw]

Brilliant, he?

You call the desaster on the eastern front, resulting from Hitlers stupidity and megalomania, brilliant? You call Stalingrad brilliant? You call chopping of the most genius heads of one's own army brilliant? You call driving ones most brilliant scientists into the arms of the enemy or sending them to the gas chambers for being jewish brilliant? Come on, you must be kidding. This man was a mad dog who maybe had some brilliant advisors at the beginning (before he started killing them). And calling him brilliant is like spitting straight into the face of everybody who's familiy had to suffer under the nazi-regime.
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"He jests at scars, that never felt a wound."

 

[Bad.Mojo]

No, I call brainwashing an entire country of people brilliant. I call holding together a baseless regime brilliant. I call being able to hold off the allies for so long brilliant. His paranoia was his downfall, but when your own generals try to kill you, paranoia is well-founded.

Maybe this isn't sinking into your sponge like head. I don't like what he did. But the man was a genius. So was Napoleon. So was Ganghis Khan. So was Caligula. The list goes on and on and on and on and then it goes on some more. These people were ****ing brilliant men, they just had the wrong methods. But when your genius borders on insanity, that's an unfortunate side-effect.

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[Christopher Webb]

Rommel didn't die because he disagreed with Hitler. He died because he was part of an attempted coup amongst some of the brighter (or perhaps braver would be a better word) generals would saw that Hitler was an absolute jack-ass. When the gestapo found out, because of the enormous respect the german people felt for him, they gave him the choice of either commiting suicide, or going to the concentration camps WITH his family. He chose suicide, and got a state funeral to boot.

Both Hitler and Stalin were utter tactical and strategic idiots. Whether it was fighting a war on two fronts, or pushing a winter counter-offensive beyond the capabilities of your own men, both were inept. If Rommel had been in charge of Germany, I shudder to think of the consequences

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[Bad.Mojo]

I agree that starting the war on two fronts was incredibly stupid. But that was one of Hitler's only mistakes (other than gassing a few million innocent people to death.) Take a look at how many mistakes the allies made and how badly they got slaughtered in some battles. Hitler got paranoid about the USSR and moved against them, which was stupid. If it wasn't for the USSR we'd all be speaking German today. But otherwise his strategies were sound. Of course, you can all continue thinking he's as stupid as you want just because he was evil as all Hell, I'm sure it makes you sleep better at night and all knowing that no evil person could ever be smarter than the righteous forces. Fortunately we just had more smart people working against him than he had smart people working for him. But that's what happens when everybody in the world wants to kick your ass.

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[I_ABuGa]

Hitler? Brilliant?

He was a fantastic con man. Tactical genius he was definitely not. he was a politician, a real candy stealer. His generals were good and they didnt dare move against hitler coz o his popularity - he was also giving them a good time with the war and all.

And the Allies? No cohesion, slow and self-centered. Could someone explain to me why the Americans didnt get in earlier? I mean they were late in the previous war already. Was it coz the recession and all that?

To Galaddin, our Ranger units - the few units you'll find chinese, indians and any others mixed with Bumis, use M16s and variants along with MP5 A4s and A5s as Shakken just said. Cant remember what sidearms they pack. They are trained for jungle anti-communist tactics. They dont pack much heavy weapons like SAWS. We have an occasional AK, dont know how they distribute those things so I'm not sure.
I cant identify the predominant weapon o choice, sorry.

Our neighbour to the south, their own weapons r made by the Singaporean Charted Industries, from what i hear they make small arms and light support for the army there from assault rifles - the SR88 to grenade launchers - CIS 40GL. They seem to be making vehicles as well. They're using the SR88A for an assault rifle which is a jumble of the M16, galil and other designs

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[DeadeyeDan[ToA]]

I don't think he attacked Russia because of paranoia (he may have done it sooner because of it, I dunno), I'm sure backstabbing them was the plan from day 1. Hell, I'd bet he was going to backstab every ally he had and rule the world himself, but I sure as hell know he couldn't WAIT to go get the classless commies.

And I agree about the speaking german part, but the same could be said about at least 2 other countries... and we'd also be speaking German if Hitler could have held onto his pants and strung the Russians along for a while longer.

And I'd also agree about Hitler being smart, but not in the brilliant tactician sense, alot of the good strategizing was done by his henchmen, and he often insisted on the stupid decision, dispite warnings from his men that wanted to make the smart one. He was smart like a politician, he didn't only dupe his own citizens, he somehow convinced other countries that he would be loyal to them and stop conquering even though the world was not yet property of Germany.

Hitler: "Uh, read my book yet?"

Other Axis leaders: "Well, no."

Hitler: "Oh, good. So... want some land?"

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Shot the landlords, who knew it was mine,
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[Catalyst]

If I was awake in US History, I believe the Americans were going through an isolationist period during that time. They just got out of the economic crises of the Depression era and I guess they didn't want to rock the boat. Then again they say war is always good for the economy.

Catalyst

 

[I_ABuGa]

On Hitler

He attacked the Soviet Union for its resource riches - its costs a lot to maintain the war, he needed some fresh, easily obtainable resources among other things. He moved too soon, wrong timing. He wanted to secure the Rhine with its oil fields. so instead of going straight to the capital, Moscow, and wiping it out, he detoured to get that chocolate icing on his cake. That proved fatal coz winter was coming.

Too bad, the germans got bogged down in street fighting and winter in Moscow and its outlying towns. The germans didnt fare too well cause of low supplies and inadequate training for street fighting. This gave the soviets the time to make a counter-offensive. Tanks and "Cossacs" rode down from the eastern flank into the city and through german outposts.

By the end of winter, the soviet red flag flew over parliment. And that's just one of the critical mistakes he made. There were about 3 that sealed his and Nazi fate.

Hitler, Tactical and strategic genius? Not by a stretch

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[Bad.Mojo]

Actually, Hitler was rather poor at politics. The first time he ran for executive office, he lost. He had to assassinate most executive power holders to get himself into that position. Despite what you wanna think, he had some tactically sound ideas. His charisma focused an entire country, under the promise of the rebirth of an empire, still harboring hatred for the Allies for "the great war," to unite in a common cause - a cause that led alot of young boys to come out of school and die for the prospects of genocide. That in itself is pure genius. He was for all intents and purposes a military leader, since his country under the regime of the National Socialists was a fascist military dictatorship. He ordered the invasions, and they were left ignored for a long time. Did his Generals execute them? Yes they did. Does that make them "brilliant"? Well by your own arguements, no. It makes the grunts brilliant. They did the actual fighting. And under Hitler's charisma, no less.

As for the allies, the problem was the Commonwealths (Australia and Canada) were getting bossed around by the British, who still had ideas that wars were fought on horses while you wore a helmet with a pointy thing on top. Once they began operating autonomously, and once the Japanese made the very very stupid mistake of bombing Pearl Harbor and thus inviting the Americans to war (who were practicing an isolationist policy, very right Cat.) the Allies began to pick up pace, and the great strategists from the Empire and the U.S., along with the French resistance's "guerrila" tactics, began kicking some serious ass.

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