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How about a Lobby instead of a Menu?

Discussion in 'Unreal Tournament 3' started by Wowbagger, Jun 3, 2005.

  1. Wowbagger

    Wowbagger Curing the infection...

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    How about a Lobby instead of a Menu? [UPDATED]

    Ive been thinking about the Unreal community lately and how isolated we are.
    As a CTF player i never really meet Assault players or TDM:ers etc and still we are all "connected" to the Master Server?

    What if UT2007 shipped with an 3D lobby as a first choice instead of the menu?

    Think of it as a cross between the Quake1 menu and the towns in Guild Wars. A place where we "meet" and chat between our different games or just hang around waiting for friends to show up.


    [SCREENSHOT]https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/91974582/Lobby/masterstation_blueprint.jpg[/SCREENSHOT]

    BASIC CONDITION
    The Master Server probably needs a complete overhaul for all this to even work.
    - Weapons and all fancy jumps needs to go.
    - A new powerful chat system.(copy & paste, clickable IP:s etc)
    - A 100% userfriendly Voicechat (with Voice activation)
    - Ingame cursor.(activated with Right MB)
    - Instanced (Chat works through all instances)


    STORY
    To be more cost effective the corporation decides to centralize the Tournament.
    A planet with all resources needed is found within Transport range to all the Arenas.
    A spacestation, the Master Station, is built in orbit to accomodate ALL Tournament players.


    [SCREENSHOT]https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/91974582/Lobby/masterstation_center.jpg[/SCREENSHOT]

    GROUPS
    The ability to easy form groups on the Master Station (invite, accept/deny)
    Groups offers the following advantages,

    - Start a Pickup game.
    - Join a public server or the Groupleader Hosts a server (the advantage is that all friends get on the same server)
    - Watch a Demo. Directly after the game or an old one, with the voicechat this will be a blast. (idea by KNT)
    - Go through a Tutorial together (could be good if someone has convinced some friends to buy the game)


    SCREENS
    Screens on the Master Station shows real data and live streaming.
    Stats screen shows the real stats etc.
    But youll get the real functionallity when you click the screens (fullscreen mode)
    Tutorials start to show Matinees etc.

    The big screen can show a LIVE UTV game with people standing on the floor watching.
    To actually connect to the UTV server just click the screen (or if theres slots left why not be given the choice to join in on the action?)


    [​IMG]

    PICKUPS
    The player with the server forms a group (see GROUPS) becomes the Groupleader, and then clicks Play/Pickup/OK.
    The Pickup screen shows up with two empty teams and a chatfield.
    The Groupleader assigns two "captains" who then starts to pick players.
    When everybody has clicked READY the game is on.
    Groupleadership can be passed on if needed.
    The Pickup Screen also have Vote, Serversettings (Groupleader only), indications on Voicechat etc.



    QUARTERS
    This is just fanzy spawnpoints.
    Instead of popping out of nowhere theres a small room to do it.
    Its random, theres no "fixed" room for a certain player just something to make it more "believable"

    Exception: "firsttimers" always spawn in the dockingarea.


    [​IMG]

    COMMUNICATION
    Unreal Translator, a futuristic PDA but with even more features.
    Everytime you chat to others or need to communicate with the Master Stations all systems you do it through the Unreal Translator.
    In it you can add people to the Buddy list, put them on Mute/Ignore and type clickable Server IP:s to others.
    Copy & Paste supported.


    [SCREENSHOT]https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/91974582/Lobby/instance_translator_ingame.jpg[/SCREENSHOT]

    VOICECHAT
    To form natural groups the Local Chat is used.
    Local Chat radius set it to maybe 3 meters?
    A proper Voice Activation is needed if everyone will use it.
    For "long distance chat" use the Unreal Translator.


    MOVEMENT
    Only Walk and Run supported on the Master Station.
    No Weapons allowed.


    CLANTERMINAL
    Shows "Clan of the week"
    Click it to view yours or search for other clans.


    STATSTERMINAL
    Shows top ten constantly.
    Click it to view your stats or search for others.


    NPC:s
    NPC:s can be used to inhabit the station, bring it alive.
    - Man terminals all over the station.
    - Unloading weapons and ammunitions in the dock.

    But also interact with the players.
    - Stop players from enter Online servers before they have done the Tutorials (escort them there).
    - Maybe, scripted, throw cheaters out the airlock. Could be showed on the big screen too ;)



    [SCREENSHOT]https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/91974582/Lobby/masterstation_promenade.jpg[/SCREENSHOT]

    [SCREENSHOT]https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/91974582/Lobby/masterstation_tutorials.jpg[/SCREENSHOT]

    [SCREENSHOT]https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/91974582/Lobby/masterstation_utv.jpg[/SCREENSHOT]






    Anyway thats briefly what i have been thinking of, its hard to put all the ideas into words.

    I think it would strengthen us as a community. (and make it more fun)
    What do you guys think? (looking forward to an interesting discussion ;))

    These ideas are free for Epic to use if they choose.
     
    Last edited: Dec 31, 2014
  2. krjal

    krjal Minotaur

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    That's the best 'new' idea I've heard for ages!

    Not that it'll happen...BUT, It'd be bloody amazing if it did.

    As for voice, you could have the channels just like for typed chat. A list of checkboxes so you can turn off the 'local' channel if it's too noisy.

    Interesting relating it to Guild Wars btw.
     
  3. blutspender

    blutspender New Member

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    Great Idea
     
  4. carmatic

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    yeah, quake1's difficulty/episode selection was very innovative, and i havent played a game which let you select things like that before... maybe guild wars is kind of like an extension of that idea, hm....

    maybe instead of one big 'station' filled with all the people in the world looking for a game, maybe you could host servers whose sole purpose is to redirect downloads while hosting a non-game map, and it acts like a hub for several similar game servers (like jolt's network of ut2k4 servers) ... this hub acts like a chatroom, like you said, and it is related to the game servers , people connected to it will start downloading stuff that they will need to join those servers using the 2k7 streaming technology, so instead of looking at a black screen with white text telling them the % of their download, they are in a chatroom chatting with other players ... or something...
    instead of downloading a map when it's needed, everything that is in use in all of the servers will be downloaded for as long as the player is connected to the hub
    its a non-game map because the download will have a higher priority than updating the gamestate, and pings will suffer... people will not be able to move quickly or else they jerk all over the place, npc's will be client-centered....
    what do you mean by 'It needs to be instanced ' in this case, is it that we can go off into different parts of this big station in groups, and we will not see any other players until we get back to the main part?
     
  5. Discord

    Discord surveying the wreckage...

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    Heh... here's Steve Polge from page four of a 1UP.com feature:

    I doubt it'll be a 3d map kind of thing, but don't count out the functionality just yet. ;)
     
  6. AntiMatter

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    Id love to see 3d walk around lobbies or menus, although it would probably get annoying after a while if you just wanted to select different options and get on with it. But i agree it would be very cool :)
     
  7. carmatic

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    like, the point of a 3d lobby is to act as a chatroom to organize games etc , a place to meet thats between forums like this and the actual game itself, like gamespy but its inside the game itself, and it has alot of functionality pertaining to the game itself... you know, like downloading mutators,custom skins, custom maps, and stuff, while people chat ....
    on a related note maybe the next UT will have a built in cache manager? since the UT series are so heavily influenced by mutators and custom content, allowing putting more control with the end users can only be a good thing...
     
  8. edhe

    edhe ..dadhe..

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    And on the first night of release there's 300,000 people on that level :s
     
  9. Wowbagger

    Wowbagger Curing the infection...

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    Nice link there Discord :tup: :)

    @ krjal, good idea, instead of Private (or any other channel) chat one could use voice if people involved have it enabled. I like it :)

    @ AntiMatter, yea i guess you could solve that with an menu using Escape or something.

    @ Edhe, hopefully itll be 300,000 ;) but thats why it needs to be instanced.

    Im working on a pic to describe it.
     
  10. EL BOURIKO

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    I fear that the lobby could end up as a crowdy mediterranean market in a very short while if not well designed :S
    But why not such things if someone can make it friendly and effecient...
     
  11. gregori

    gregori BUF Refugee

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    Make the lobbies divided per server/servers, and you can jump from lobby to lobby around the globe, have a different looks for each lobby
     
  12. BooGiTyBoY

    BooGiTyBoY The ImPaCt-DaMpeNeD BooGeRaToR

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    I'd like to see a rocketeer type system on each server where people get dumped in the lobby then can chat and stuff and go jump into their map of choice. Be hard as hell to institute with a larger amount of players... but it would be prety cool.

    Plus it wouldn't have to be full blown graphics and models and such in the lobbies.. you could have avatar type models, maybe floating heads or something to save on teh performance.

    Just an idea.
     
  13. Olga

    Olga Miffed

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    Make it so that hosts of games can choose which lobby to use, and have it so that you can have custom lobbies. Basically maps with a LOBBY- prefix or something.
     
  14. Bullet10k

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    Ya i love this idea, like a 3D ingame futuristic-looking lobby where people meet.

    And hopefully EPIC also reads this bit here:

    The single player should also have a kind of lobby. Where like when you enter the tournament it will be like the UT2K3 intro. And for practice deathmatch, you might like enter a hologram or summin or wateva, CREATIVITY! NOT THE MENUS!.

    I'll bump a thread I made about more story in the game so you know exactly what I mean...
     
  15. gregori

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    It'd be a beast if they could make the lobbies in famous places in the unreal universe,
    like a lobby on the phobos station waitng to beam people to the surface for battle,
    Or on a floating island on na pali, a facility near Antalus, An imperial city like gladiator made out of neo classical architecture with trams were aquaducts would be, or a the nakhti home world and so on and so forth....................
     
  16. Bloodwolf806

    Bloodwolf806 Equal Opportunity Ass-Kicker

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    That would be really nice!!
     
  17. krjal

    krjal Minotaur

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    Yes!!!

    The 'ready rooms' could be connected to the viewing galleries where you can connect as an observer to the games hosted from that lobby area!

    What about a 'trading nexus' or somesuch thing where you can swap models/skins/mutators/mods and chat about them?

    Possibilities are endless.
     
  18. Dark Pulse

    Dark Pulse Dolla, Dolla. Holla, Holla.

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    This would be a very interesting thing, indeed. Won't happen, but it'd be nice. :)
     
  19. carmatic

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    http://forums.beyondunreal.com/showthread.php?postid=1827793#post1827793

    ok i dunnoe if that link will actually work, but yeah, another thing that can be added to this so called 'lobby' ...

    by the way, i must emphasize, there is no central one-and-only lobby like there is a master server, but there will be many lobbies serving different groups of geographically-similar servers so that people who play on them will have low ping, and they would also host content using ut2k7's streaming technology to eliminate the map downloading waits we have now...
     
  20. Xaero_UT

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    u guys ever heard of www.habbohotel.com

    basicly a 3d hotel where people talk and walk around, while its cool, there are alot of idiots, who swear, follow a person around, and some 'gang' up around a player so they can't move, while the group yells abuse. (possible clan b*****n going on?)

    that said, as long as it is moderated properly, i think it would be a great step.
     

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