Gryphon Pyrotechnic Display

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Catalyst

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With the Fourth of July rolling up here in the States, I was just wondering if Gryphon would be willing to do an Infiltration Pyrotechnic Show to be webcast to this site??!

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Alpha_9

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That would be cool...

And a great warm-up for what will have to be the celebration to end all celebrations when Infiltration 3.0 is finally released!! Imagine that... /infopop/emoticons/icon_cool.gif
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Bad.Mojo

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The only problem being, of course, Gryphon celebrates Canada Day on July 1st and couldn't care less about the fourth of july, except maybe for the fact that its another day gone by in our lives.

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Well, Where I live, we celebrate both. this is probably because a lot of people are from the reserve in New Nork.
 

Gryphon

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Hmm, webcast eh? Well if I have the means to do it I'd be more than happy to try. I'll be assisting with two fireworks displays up here July 30th for the Guess Who, and July 1st for Canada Day. Both are in the neighbourhood of $20,000. These are BIG shows.

I don't know a lot about webcasting or anything like that. What would be required?

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Catalyst

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Just kidding around Gryphon. It would be cool to have you as a neighbor though /infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif Oh, and Bad Mojo, to me July 1st is just another day gone by in my life too. /infopop/emoticons/icon_redface.gif

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maybe I should set it up for me to do it. my dad spends anywhere between $3,000 and $5,000 on fireworks. This year he is planning to get a "couple" 5" shells which cost him around $350 each. He almost got arrested last year, but talked the cop out of it. The cop stayed for about 15 minutes and watch. pretty wierd

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Gryphon

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Darkliege, at the risk of sounding rude, your father probably SHOULD have been arrested for that, or at least had his shells confiscated. Commercial display fireworks like 5" shells are for professional use, not amateur use by unlicensed individuals. Illicit use of fireworks in any respect only contributes to a negative image of pyrotechnics, which brings about more restrictions for the legitimate users of them (me). Additionally, those who are untrained in their use are posing a hazard not only to themselves, but anyone around as well.

Please consider asking your dad to take a training course in the use of large-caliber shells. Not only will he be able to then get them legally, he can get them for a hell of a lot less. I can get a 5" palm with trunk for CDN$50.00, and that's not some cheap Chinese piece of junk, that's Spanish by Pirotechnica Zaragozana. Good stuff. My most expensive 5" shell runs me only CDN$100.00 (US manufactured crossette). His ass will be covered under the law, and should a mishap occur he would be adequately trained to deal with it. It's a small price to pay for safety and freedom.

If you like, I can find out if there is anyone who offers a course in your area (the Michigan Pyrotechnic Arts Guild probably does something occasionally)

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One thing I forgot to mention in my previous post that I feel is of significance, and underscores what I said about proper training...

A few years ago in Great Britain you could supposedly buy 5" shells almost over-the-counter. Minimal instructions and basically zero training was given on how to properly set up and fire these shells. One night a man who bought some 5" shells was checking his equipment over after the show, and stuck his face over a 5" mortar to see if the shell had indeed gone off.

The shell decided to take that particular moment to function. Death came swiftly, and I'm sure it was painless seeing as how the man's head came completely off.

The selection of fireworks in Great Britain today is said to be rather poor, legislated out of existence. Perhaps now you can see why I feel so strongly on this issue

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*sigh*
Ruining all my fun, Gryphon. I don't like that.

You know what we are allowed in Michigan? Sparklers and cone fountains. That is completely inadequate. Only a complete moron would stick his face over the tube to see if it lit. My father does know what he is doing. No he doesn't have a lisence, but he has been a criminal (ohhh, oh no, not another) for a damn long time.

Yeah, the reasons why they are so expensive is because he buys them of a customer, who by chance, is a lisenced pyro. It has to go through many hands to get to his. He should get his lisence and get it over with. But he won't, so tough sh1t. Thats how it goes.

I thank you for you concern though, I'm being a total dickhead toward you.

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[This message was edited by Darkliege on Jun 17, 2000 at 02:25.]
 

Gryphon

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I guess I came off rather harshly. But as a licensed professional pyrotechnician who takes great strides to protect people from explosive harm, I think you can understand where I'm coming from.

> Only a complete moron would stick his face over the tube to see if it lit.

"There are two things that are infinite: the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not too sure about the universe."
-- Albert Einstein

>He should get his lisence and get it over with. But he won't, so tough sh1t. Thats how it goes.

I suppose so. However with MI fireworks laws as they are, do you think that's a good idea?

>I thank you for you concern though, I'm being a total dickhead toward you.

No argument. However, do me a favor and at least have your father contact the folks at the Michigan Pyrotechnic Arts Guild and see what can be done about getting legal. This is a group of people who shoot and MANUFACTURE fireworks for fun. Obviously there are workarounds for everything. Good luck...

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Bad.Mojo

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Isn't putting your face over a fire work to see if it went off something like looking down the barrel of a gun and pulling the trigger to check if its still loaded?

Anyways, I'm not licensed, but I still make pyrotechnics shows, mostly because my training comes from not being an idiot. I graduated from official pyromaniac to unofficial pyrotechnician a few years ago. That and the DND graciously provided me with ALOT of sapper training, so now I can build anything from homemade bottle rockets to homemade plastic explosives, just like mom used to make.

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> Isn't putting your face over a fire work to see if it went off something like looking down the barrel of a gun and pulling the trigger to check if its still loaded?

Not if one is assuming the shell HAS fired. Remember, they think they're looking into an EMPTY tube. And even if it wasn't, they wouldn't be expecting the shell to function several minutes after the fuse was lit. Sad fact is, duds have been known to function from lingering heat/sparks for up to 30 minutes after firing.

> Anyways, I'm not licensed, but I still make pyrotechnics shows, mostly because my training comes from not being an idiot. I graduated from official pyromaniac to unofficial pyrotechnician a few years ago. That and the DND graciously provided me with ALOT of sapper training, so now I can build anything from homemade bottle rockets to homemade plastic explosives, just like mom used to make.

Bad.Mojo, sounds like you and I need to get together. Bring yourself and your GF over to Winnipeg and we'll use up this 40 lbs. of KClO4 I got left over from the last PGI convention. /infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif If you're interested in getting your supervisor's license, I'd be more than happy to have you assist in a show or two (you need to assist as an apprentice in 3 shows before ERD will give you a full supervisor's license). Only problem is, it's a long drive from Ottawa to Winnipeg AFAIK...

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Bad.Mojo

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Still, it would be really cool to be able to sit around and actually HELP on the Hill for Canada Day or the May 2-4 for once... Winnipeg isn't as far as, say, Calgary, and I've driven there before with a buddy of mine. You're talking to a guy that drove to Montreal with a friend to buy a pack of smokes and a coffee. When you combine youth with nothing better to do, the results are a little strange.

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