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Give me one good reason

Discussion in 'Other Stuff' started by Stilgar, Jul 23, 2003.

  1. Stilgar

    Stilgar Ninja

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    "Give me one good reason why I am supposed to pay for someone elses health care, job training, research and development, childcare, etc. Because everyone has a right to it? Where is that said in the Constitution?"


    I'm guessing that all of the readers here are part of a society, wether it be east or west, south or north, or whatever. You are a part of society.

    "why I am supposed to pay"

    Such nonsnese. Why are you supposed to pay ? ...Cat, what reasons are there to contribute?. That's the real question you should be asking yourself.

    "someone elses health care, job training, research and development, childcare, etc"

    Is the dire importance of these things not self evident to you already ?

    Are you so cynical as to doubt their value during these times ?

    I am a wage slave. I work to eat, clothe myself, and put a roof above my head to shield me from the elements. Around 22 or 21 cents in the dollar, of my weekly pay packet, goes to the govt. I believe in this contribution, and I do not always agree with the way tax revenue is spent.

    My sister has needed to use childcare services, so that she could study, while taking care of her daughter, who was a newborn. The govt subsidised the expenses for this chldcare, hence my sister could afford enough time to study. Without that support, she could not hope to have educated herself thoroughly, as she would have had to take up another part-time job. I contribute, I helped ease the pressure of her situation, through taxes, and through my own time in looking after my niece.

    Healthcare in NZ is subsidised. When people are in dire need of healh and financial assistance, the system helps. I contribute, I am the system.

    When the mentally ill need to be taken care of, when they need people to treat them fairly and with respect, the system usually helps out with govt facilities (the quality of which is debateable) I contribute, I am the system.

    When our national parks need to be further preserved, and the facilities maintained, the govt DOC steps in. I contribute, I help preserve the national parks by expending my time at a job.

    I've walked the national parks, I've enjoyed spending time with my niece, she loves me. I've intimately known people who have been healed and taught through the healthcare system. I've known people who needed treatment for serious disabilities. I care for these people. One of the ways I care for them is by contributing some of my wages to tax revenue, which translates into contributing some of my finite time in this place, and that makes me feel a part of something bigger than myself, bigger than you, bigger than your God.

    I won't delve into the inner workings of politics, and the way in which the liars of cheaters steal from the public. I have not the knowledge to prove either good or bad from the mess of quick solutions and answers that politicians wash over the populace, so I do what I believe in.

    I'm not a nice person all the time, my time here should show that. I've done many horrible things, but, I can take solace in this Island society as a whole, no matter the time, no matter the place, because I am a part of it. That's a good enough reason as any for me to contribute.



    "I believe enough to be a part of something bigger than myself" - S.M
     
  2. BangOut

    BangOut ...smells like groin.

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    Zarkazm <img src="http://forums.beyondunreal.com/images/sm

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    Oh, shut your pie hole. :nag: You go Stil!
     
  4. Cat Fuzz

    Cat Fuzz Qualthwar's Minion. Ph34r!

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    I believe in personal responsibility.

    I do not believe in forced redistribution of wealth.

    When someone "makes mistakes in life" their family needs to take care of them. Not some bloated government program that only grows for the sake of growing.

    There is a right way to do things:

    1: No sex before marriage

    2: When you get married, you STAY married.

    People choose not to follow these logical rules and then they become a burden on society. I don't believe I should have to pay for these people to dump their kids in daycare so they can go off and study and work. They made bad choices and I'm sick of having to take up the slack.
     
  5. Stilgar

    Stilgar Ninja

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    Is it just me, or isn't it ironic that Cat fuzz, as a christian, seems like one hell of an uncharitable bastard ?

    Get a grip on reality Cat. You are given the choice to help people, to make a difference, and you choose the blame game. For many of my younger years I was brought up to believe in christian values, I went to church on sundays, attended sunday school. I met a lot of christians, and, I have to say, you make for a ****ty, ****ty christian.

    Got empathy ?
     
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  6. oosyxxx

    oosyxxx teh3vilspa7ula

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    A Guile follower with more sensibility than a Jesus follower. Ain't life grand?
     
  7. bobtheking

    bobtheking Monkey in a bucket

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    not that I pay taxes yet, but still...

    I think people would be a LOT more willing to pay for free healthcare if they knew that 95% of their money wasn't going to incredibly easily avoided health problems. such as not eating at mcdonalds, or doing more than 0 minutes of excercize per week. I know i'd be pissed when i grow up to look down the street and see all these people in ****ty health because they are lazy, and I'm paying to fix their mistakes.

    as for the other stuff, that would be pretty cool.
     
  8. Rukee

    Rukee Coffee overclocks the overclocker!!

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    Because, god forbid, you too, or a member of your family, your future son or daughter may need these services, and if you\they do, those services sure would be a god sent for you and yours.
     
  9. BangOut

    BangOut ...smells like groin.

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    It's not Cat's duty just to fork away his goods to people who made poorer decisions thanhe did. The charitibility that you request from him is the kind from his wallet, but it is likely that Cat would give from his time or his heart.

    I would give hours of service helping others before I donated a single penny. I don't want to further people's uninformed or poor decisions by letting them make them again. Being charitible means helping those less fortunate, and there are many more ways of doing so than the wallet.

    Cat has every right to blame others for what they've done to themselves because if he is charitible he is trying to get them not to make mistakes again.

    It's why you give a sandwhich to a homeless person instead of cash that nobody knows where it will go; it's why you should give an impoverished family jobs before welfare; it's why doctors tell fat people to get exercise rather than give them pills. Help people help themselves... old saying, still applicable.

    If Cat doesn't believe in that, I do... always be responsible for your actions, and if your downtrodden existence is not your fault in any way, only then should you receive unearned goods. If you've made mistakes that you didn't need to, you probably don't deserve anything but better guidance to start off with.

    How's that for charitible?
     
  10. SpiritWalker

    SpiritWalker Tattooed Beat Messiah / Prime Mover

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    /golf clap..

    very good.. very good... nice use of words. Not blindly stating fact (or rather what should be commonly know as fact) Mr. Out, and making people think about what you said.


    or otherwise know as










    ownage!
     
  11. QUALTHWAR

    QUALTHWAR Baitshop opening soon.

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    I’ve heard of people renouncing their citizenship. That gets them out of a lot of things, like paying taxes. At the same time, you lose your benefits, like Social Security.
     
  12. BangOut

    BangOut ...smells like groin.

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    I don't mean to "own" anybody because I like both Cat and stil, but it's clear that Cat's pro-Christian, pro-U.S. statements are typically ignored and beaten into submission by the masses. I have to be less impartial and speak for him because no one else will.
     
  13. militaryspetproject

    militaryspetproject Kissy!

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    Do you not "dump" your child in day care while you work? Or does your wife stay home and take care of ninja baby while you work? Or does a fmaily memeber care for Connor?
    These of course arnt options for all of us. they might not always be for you either. Lets say its your wife taking care of connor... and god forbid something happens to her... you are going to need day care for connor while you work... And lets say after all the high medical bills you are paying (cause it turns out the insurance you always trusted doesnt cover ****) You have no money left over for food or day care or to pay your x tra medical bills. What would good ole cat do in this situation???? I think he might turn to the governement... and after all why not... you paid taxes..and it is your right as an american to utilize these services... Thats what they are they for... not to get you in the ass.
     
  14. militaryspetproject

    militaryspetproject Kissy!

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    Stil :) :clap: :tup:

    your the man
     
  15. BangOut

    BangOut ...smells like groin.

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    And assuming you pay taxes, you get money back in services, correct?

    So basically you're paying the government and they pay you back... so you could decide however you wanted to spend your money... too bad that's not how it works... because your problems are coming from cat's wallet... and if cat has problems, then both of you are potentially getting money from those who do nothing wrong other than not having anything wrong happen to them.

    I make money, I spend a little each month to get by, I do nothing to endanger myself or my situation, I pay my taxes, and I shelve the rest away. I now have more money than people who spent their money. Because of graduated taxes, i would eventually be punished for having more money. -> pfft
     
  16. militaryspetproject

    militaryspetproject Kissy!

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    its there as a safety net... I would rather live with one then without one.
     
  17. militaryspetproject

    militaryspetproject Kissy!

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    Also I would rather my money go to day care and education then say......... mmm 1 milion dollar toilets for airforce 1

    By the way bangout... you being a teacher and all I thought you would understand how important taxes are... after all your school and your job depends on taxes.
     
  18. BangOut

    BangOut ...smells like groin.

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    Lucky for me I work in a private school.
     
  19. QUALTHWAR

    QUALTHWAR Baitshop opening soon.

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    ninja baby? :con:
     
  20. militaryspetproject

    militaryspetproject Kissy!

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    Sigh not everyone can afford a private education.
    Are you saying Education should not be a basic right?
    Should it just be reserved for the rich?
     

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