Franchi SPAS-12
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Eh, both FA MAS and Steyr AUG are fine rifles, neither compare to FN F2000 though 
All bullpups except one, maybe two (if Steyr solves the problems with ACR) have a major issue: you cannot switch hands in combat which makes firing around corners in urban settings much more difficulty. With an M4, you can quickly switch from right hand to left hand to fire around a corner, but if you try that with a FA MAS, or AUG, or Tavor, or any other bullpup except F2000 or Steyr ACR, you'll get spent casings ejected right into your face. F2000 solves it by ejecting spent casings into a special internal tube, from which they fall out forward. It's also dead sexy
All bullpups except one, maybe two (if Steyr solves the problems with ACR) have a major issue: you cannot switch hands in combat which makes firing around corners in urban settings much more difficulty. With an M4, you can quickly switch from right hand to left hand to fire around a corner, but if you try that with a FA MAS, or AUG, or Tavor, or any other bullpup except F2000 or Steyr ACR, you'll get spent casings ejected right into your face. F2000 solves it by ejecting spent casings into a special internal tube, from which they fall out forward. It's also dead sexy
I'm not sure if the OICW can really be called a bullpup. Sure, the 20mm GL is bullpup, but the 5.56 is not, so perhaps it's a half-bullpup
BTW: why does everyone here bash on the AUG. The Austrian Army didn't have any problems with it since its introduction in 1977. According to everyone who served it's reliable under adverse conditions, easy to control in full-auto and easy to clean. Only things which are not that much liked are the backup 'ironsights' on the scope. In Austria we also don't have any problems with ADs.
Snakeye
BTW: why does everyone here bash on the AUG. The Austrian Army didn't have any problems with it since its introduction in 1977. According to everyone who served it's reliable under adverse conditions, easy to control in full-auto and easy to clean. Only things which are not that much liked are the backup 'ironsights' on the scope. In Austria we also don't have any problems with ADs.
Snakeye
".......HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA, jaunty the FAMAS is a peice of ****! if you want a good bullpup assult rifle you take the Steyr AUG..."
Empty cans make the most noise.
Empty cans make the most noise.
"Easy switching" means you don't have to take it to factory - but I don't think you're going to field strip and assemble it back together in middle of a firefight (and that's exactly what it takes - it's not flipping a switch).
I've read that article as well, and doesn't accessing the bolt require opening the reciever? IMHO, that procedure qualifies as field stripping, and even if it doesn't, it's NOT something you do during a firefight.
Indeed it's only a minor change, but it takes still more time than to flip a switch.
In any case it's nothing you want to do under fire, so if you get a right-hand configured weapon and are a leftie you'd better shoot with the rifle on your right shoulder.
Since this problem is common with all side-ejecting bullpups it's a serious drawback in design.
In Austria the problem is solved in a typically Austrian way: everybody shoots with the rifle on the right shoulder - though also the StG77(aka AUG) can be configured for a left handed shooter.
BTW1: No one answered my question why the AUG is so unpopular here(apart from Gryphon and ShakKen not liking it..), ****, I pose this question for over 1 year, but still got no real answer..
BTW2: the FN F2000 is a butt-ugly rifle..
Snakeye
In any case it's nothing you want to do under fire, so if you get a right-hand configured weapon and are a leftie you'd better shoot with the rifle on your right shoulder.
Since this problem is common with all side-ejecting bullpups it's a serious drawback in design.
In Austria the problem is solved in a typically Austrian way: everybody shoots with the rifle on the right shoulder - though also the StG77(aka AUG) can be configured for a left handed shooter.
BTW1: No one answered my question why the AUG is so unpopular here(apart from Gryphon and ShakKen not liking it..), ****, I pose this question for over 1 year, but still got no real answer..
BTW2: the FN F2000 is a butt-ugly rifle..
Snakeye
Snakeye, you missed my point - it's not the right handed/left handed shooter (I'm a leftie myself), it's the use of cover in combat in urban settings. If, for example, I'm using a house for cover, I'll be firing around a corner - if the corner happens to be on my left side, then excellent - only my head and left arm will be exposed. However, if the corner is on my right side, I'll have to switch to right hand, or risk having nearly my entire body exposed to enemy fire. With a conventional layout weapon, I have the option of switching hands - but with a side-ejecting bullpup, I don't.
And I firmly stand by my opinion of F2000 being dead sexy
And I firmly stand by my opinion of F2000 being dead sexy
I've never fired any sort of bullpup weapon, so I pose this question to those of you who have: How is reloading the weapon different? Does it take longer to remove and insert a mag than a normal rifle (M-16, SIG-551, FN FAL, etc.). I can only imagine that it would be awkward to reload compared to a traditional layout.
Well, I've never fired a bullpup either, but I don't think reloading it is any harder than an M16 when you're a leftie Probably just as easy as a conventional layout gun if magazine catch is placed behind magazine well so you can push it with your thumb while holding magazine with the other fingers (similar to the AK/Galil magazine catch).
Probably just as easy as a conventional layout gun if magazine catch is placed behind magazine well so you can push it with your thumb while holding magazine with the other fingers (similar to the AK/Galil magazine catch).
Gholam:
Got it now - anyway I prefer non-bullpup designs. And the F2000 is butt-ugly IMO - just my taste.
StOrmcaller:
Yep, reloading a bullpup usually takes a bit longer - at least that's what I heard about the StG77, and I suppose FAMAS, L85, F2000, TAR21, SAR21 etc will have the same problem. But according to my friends who served, you get used to it pretty fast, so it only takes a bit longer.
Snakeye
Got it now - anyway I prefer non-bullpup designs. And the F2000 is butt-ugly IMO - just my taste.
StOrmcaller:
Yep, reloading a bullpup usually takes a bit longer - at least that's what I heard about the StG77, and I suppose FAMAS, L85, F2000, TAR21, SAR21 etc will have the same problem. But according to my friends who served, you get used to it pretty fast, so it only takes a bit longer.
Snakeye
I don't think you'll be doing that during a firefight anyway. I'll live with the slight nuicense of hot metal hitting my BDU's if needed.
Only hitting your BDUs?
I'd live with hot brass scorching the right side of my face off to avoid exposing even an extra millimeter of my body.
I'd live with hot brass scorching the right side of my face off to avoid exposing even an extra millimeter of my body.
Ever had an M16 eject the casing and have it fall *under* your shirt?
I haven't.
But I saw it happen to someone.
Judging by his reaction, I don't think I'd like to experience that.
I haven't.
But I saw it happen to someone.
Judging by his reaction, I don't think I'd like to experience that.
