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Euro 2012. The Groups

Discussion in 'Off Topic' started by Predcaliber, Dec 3, 2011.

  1. Selerox

    Selerox COR AD COR LOQVITVR

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    Lescott's MASSIVE HEAD scares me...

    Aside from Lescott (who still makes me nervous), I'd say that's a pretty decent selection there :tup: Certainly a damn sight better than Capello can manage.
     
  2. Exus Tecius

    Exus Tecius like diamonds in the sky

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    bloody croatians,kicked out turkey.no justice in this world.
    go greece go.
     
  3. Big-Al

    Big-Al amateur de bière

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    Turkey isn't in Europe ;)
     
  4. tomcat ha

    tomcat ha Well-Known Member

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    i forgot that israel is.
     
  5. tomcat ha

    tomcat ha Well-Known Member

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    If the netherlands plays like the last WC or keeps up the thing they did last EC then they are a serious contender to win it... but we all know that.
    The last few games have been kinda mediocre but that very well might just be a phase. We've prob the best attackers in the world.
     
  6. Zur

    Zur surrealistic mad cow

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    Correct. It's in my plate.
     
  7. Selerox

    Selerox COR AD COR LOQVITVR

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    Eurovision's wrong as well. Although it's wrong about most things...

    No it isn't. Forget what UEFA says. Israel isn't - nor will it ever be - part of Europe.
     
  8. Lruce Bee

    Lruce Bee Transcending to another level

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    Amen to that brother.
     
  9. das_ben

    das_ben Concerned.

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    Which is a question that, nevermind the fact this is entirely off-topic, depends on your definition of "Europe".
     
  10. DarkEmperor

    DarkEmperor Buried By The Dead

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    geographicaly and ethnologicaly Turkey, Israel, Azerbaijan, Kazakhstan, Armenia, Georgia do not belong in Europe. For political reasons they take part in most european contests (eurovision etc etc), but this topic is highly flammable.
     
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  11. Selerox

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    Less about culture, more about geography...

    Turkey is partially within Europe. So as much as some people might kick off about it, they do at least have a claim on that one. The rest fall into the border states category, where they might share a border with Europe, they aren't necessarily in it. Israel has no claim whatsoever to having anything to do with Europe. I'd count Kazakhstan before I'd count Israel.
     
  12. DarkEmperor

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    It is absurd and provocative, sure, but Israel rules the world (powerful lobbys, banks, religion...). What would you expect?
     
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  13. tomcat ha

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    If you go by continental plate then spain and italy dont belopng yet turkey, azerbeijan, kazakhstan, armenia and georgia do.

    If we are talking about ethnicities. Well thats not that true either. Till a century ago a lot of balkans was ottoman turkish and turkic tribes like the kazakh's have been living in europe since the 4th century.
     
  14. DarkEmperor

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    ^^
    That is the so called Eurasia continental plate which includes regions of Europe and Asia. That's something different. It is not geographical it is geological.

    And people in the balkans or in Egypt, Libya, Tunesia etc, were living in the ottoman empire, they were not ottoman turks. Like in the USA where many ethinicities live together, or in any other big empire in the past.
     
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  15. DSK

    DSK Lord and master of the Universe!

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    I hope that England gets completely smashed by every team they play, and that Germany wins. Go, Germany!
     
  16. DarkEmperor

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    I prefer the underdogs so I would say Denmark or Greece, two former champions :) . Besides, contrary to the past, that is no national team of Germany it is rather international... they have players that are coming from Brazil, Poland, Ghana, Turkey, lol. 80 Million people with such a tradition in football and they need 2nd generation immigrants for their national team.
     
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  17. Plumb_Drumb

    Plumb_Drumb yumb

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    GO BRONCOS!
     
  18. das_ben

    das_ben Concerned.

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    Third and fourth generation, which is getting closer to the heart of the matter: They have been German since birth and in a lot of cases, even their parents have already been born and raised in Germany.

    (This is not an attempt to defend Germany from... I don't even know what, but rather one that dismisses thinking along the lines of "ethnic Germans" vs. "immigrant Germans". Personally, I reject nations and nationalism as anachronistic and couldn't give less of a fuck about Germany, besides the fact that it's somewhat useful as a bureaucratic construct. Oh, and right now, the team of male German citizens plays a rather attractive football.)

    That said, besides the fact that there are obvious reasons for the inclusion of Israel in UEFA and that the participation of countries like Israel or Armenia in Eurovision can be easily explained if anybody really cared to know rather than spread his or her beliefs about belonging, I'd prefer we wouldn't seriously debate "Europe's borders" based solely on geography, which is a) not the point and b) still a lot more complicated than, say, the case of Australia.
     
  19. Exus Tecius

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    heh?
    what is it with england,france,holland..etc?
    sorry but you sound like...dunno...wrong.
     
  20. DarkEmperor

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    England, France and Holland have people from their colonizations from 400 years ago, Germany's immigrants were post World War 2. And while the first ones are fully integrated, Germany's multi-culti-tutti-frutti has miserably failed, most of them are living in "social ghetto's" or in real ghettos like Kreutzberg/Berlin and do not feel german at all.

    You 're lying here. Ozil's parents are both from Turkey, Podolski's are both from Poland, (in fact I don't really remember if the guy can speak german at all), Klose's are also both from Poland, Cacau was born in Brazil and his parents are from there also. So that is more like transfers from other countries. Some countries do it, some others not. I prefer the latter.
     
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