Dimming the Sun

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QUALTHWAR

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Nova has aired a show several times this week about global dimming. It’s related to global warming in that we are the cause of this dimming. This is some SCARY stuff.

Scientists have discovered that the intensity of the sunlight hitting the earth has been decreasing. People have been doing these evaporation experiments for years (something likes over 30 years) where they have a pan of water they use to measure evaporation rate. It’s a simple experiment where they fill the pan back up everyday and measure how much water it takes to fill it back to a certain level.

It's been baffling because the earth is heating up from global warming, but the evaporation rate is decreasing. But the evaporation is related to the intensity of the sun’s rays more than it is the heat, or wind, or humidity, or anything else. They discovered the decrease in the intensity is related to water droplets in clouds.

Clouds used to have larger water droplets. Today, the droplets are smaller and there are far more of them. Since water condenses on particles in the air, this makes sense if particle density increases. Well, it turns out that many tiny droplets reflect solar rays more than fewer, larger droplets. The pollution we are dumping in the air is the cause of all this.

There was a scientist who wanted to test this theory, but the problem was that we didn’t stop polluting long enough for him to do any tests. All that changed on 9-11 when America was attacked and virtually all air traffic was grounded. For 3 days, there were virtually no jet contrails in the sky. He showed how extensive the contrails were on normal days over California. About 70% of the sky was covered by contrails that had spread out.

He collected temperature records from over 5,000 weather stations in 48 states and compared temperatures. He didn’t compare highs or lows, which can vary drastically from day to day, but he compared the temperature range (the difference in temps each day from high to low) which is normally very consistent. He found that the difference was 2 degrees (F) greater on those 3 days when no jets flew. He said it was the greatest range in 30 years of observation. The days were hotter, and the nights were colder. This makes sense because clouds help to trap heat at night, and if they reflect sunlight during the day, the days will be cooler.
 

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What this means is global warming has been slowed by global dimming. The two are countering each other, but warming is still winning. Global warming has increased the earth’s temp by 2.6 – 3.0 degrees (F) while dimming has decreased it by 1.5 (F).

One scientist is concerned because he says since we didn’t understand how powerful the dimming was, we probably don’t fully understand how powerful the warming is either, and that the whole system may be more delicate than we ever imagined.

Over the last century, the temp has increased by 1 – 1.5 degrees (F), faster than ever before. Take away global dimming and that number would be even higher. The last time the earth’s climate was 3 degrees (C) warmer was 3 million years ago. The sea level was 25 meters higher then because of the melted ice.

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Check out these statistics and estimates: The extra energy that’s trapped by greenhouse gases is enough to power a 100 Watt light bulb placed 6 meters apart in a grid pattern across the entire surface of the globe.

The rate of greenhouse gases goes up by 2% per year, so in 15 years, that’s 30% more greenhouse gas. That is huge!

At the rate we are going, the temperature of the planet could increase by 18 degrees (F) by the year 2100.

Reduced cooling and increased warming could result in a 5 degree (F) change by the middle of the century. Far faster than predicted.

If this happens, the best farm land could turn into a dust bowl and famine would soon follow.

The rain forest would dry out and could easily burn. If it does burn, it could release an extraordinary amount of CO2 into the air, making things even worse.

There’s something like 1000 billion tons of frozen methane in the ocean and if the waters heat up, this gas could be released into the atmosphere and methane is many, many times worse than CO2 at trapping heat.

One scientist believes that we are less than a decade away from the point of no return. While one opinion has little weight, I’m sure others would agree with him. I know I’m growing increasingly concerned. Florida could disappear. It could all be under water in 100 years or so. I’m thinking about buying a house in some other state because if things get out of control, who’s going to buy a house that will be underwater one day?
 

pseudosafari

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Yeah it's insane really.
Large majority of scientists pretty much telling everyone that if we continue with current trends the world will be an uninhabitable ****hole. Then a couple of people dispute it so governments with the power to do something say "let's wait until we know how much of a ****-hole the place will be before we do anything drastic".
It seems nuts that the planet has been around millions of years and we've nearly managed to ruin it in one or two centuries.

It's as if our leaders are conveniently able to forget that even a couple of degrees temperature rise will cause extinctions before species have a chance to adapt, and also forget that we are still entirely dependant on the planet for survival despite our high level of technology.
 
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QUALTHWAR

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I’m worried that a slow reaction could doom the planet. Don’t remember if this was from same TV show, but a million people a year die from respiratory disease in India. China also has a huge problem now. Go to walmart and start turning boxes around and you’ll see made in China on many (or most) of them. All that production comes at a cost. There’s this tiny island (similar to the Bahamas) where people are having respiratory problems. Many school children now carry inhalers with them and a teacher remarked how more and more kids need them now. Coral reefs around the island are seeing problems and they found that it was from stuff blowing in from China.

Many countries, the US included, have cleaned things up with catalytic converters, smoke stack scrubbers, and treatment plants, but CO2 is still being produced at an alarming rate. Hell, it’s odorless, tasteless, and invisible so out of sight, out of mind. It’s like a silent, deadly killer that’s stalking us.

But what this show implies is that not only were scientists correct about manmade greenhouse gases contributing to global warming, but the affects would have been even more noticeable if not for the mitigating affects of these tiny water droplets. The earth’s average temperature would have risen about twice as much if not for the reflective cloud layer.

The thing is, what do we do about it? If we stop virtually all pollution, that might mean the average temp could skyrocket. Just eliminating those vapor trails for 3 days made a big difference, so imagine what would happen if we stopped all pollution. What we need to do is drastically stop the greenhouse gas production, but keep the other pollutants that cause the tiny cloud droplets so they will reflect the heat. Once the greenhouse gases have reduced, then slow the pollutants contributing to the tiny droplets. This idea assumes that it will take awhile for greenhouse gases to clear up.
 

Lruce

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Well I took my shades off and the sun suddenly looks a whole lot brighter

No problem here, move along
 

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QUALTHWAR said:
The thing is, what do we do about it? If we stop virtually all pollution, that might mean the average temp could skyrocket. Just eliminating those vapor trails for 3 days made a big difference, so imagine what would happen if we stopped all pollution.

As I was watching the show, I couldn't help but to think...
Captain Pollution! Where are you?!
 

ReD_Fist

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THE SKY REALLY IS FALLING!!



must be, :lol: I wish it would warm up around here, damn cold wether is much worse ,just think of how much less pollution around if we didn't have to run our heat.(even Co2)

Or throw away our rusted cars and prematurely fill up landfills all because of salted roads and wet COLD weather,I pray for global warming I wish it would hurry up.

Also quathwar lives in florida, like he's worried about how hot it gets.
 
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