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Bush defends restrictions on Iraqi contracts

Discussion in 'Off Topic' started by tool, Dec 11, 2003.

  1. tool

    tool BuFs #1 mom

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    Source: http://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/meast/12/11/sprj.irq.contracts/index.html

     
  2. Cap'n Beeb

    Cap'n Beeb Banned

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    ...someone...please...stab..him...in...the..EYE. HARD. UNTIL HIS OCCULAR FLUIDS SHOOT FORTH WITH SUCH EXTREME VELOCITY IT BREAKS THE SOUND BARRIER. CONTINUE STABBING UNTIL HE IS DEAD.

    God... dumbass.

    Edit: I would've stated the obvious legality issue with this, but since the article already did, no point in doing so. :)
     
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  3. namu

    namu Bleh.

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    If you didn't help destroy/hurt it, you don't get to help in reconstructing/healing it.

    Wow, makes sense. Not.
     
  4. tool

    tool BuFs #1 mom

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    There are a lot of ways to look at this. On one hand no one should have invaded Iraq in the first place. But the coalition did, and pratically raped the country, it could use all the help it can get from the entire world at this point to get up and running. I think that the U.S. should just back out and let the rest of the world re-build Iraq. I don't trust Bush to do the right thing with the oil and setting up a government in Iraq.

    George Bush just being himself again. A majority of the people in the United States don't want to see U.S. troops there anymore, nor do they support the war. What makes Bush think that the American people want to pay for the war? My parents sure don't since they don't even support it, and a lot of people feel the same way.

    Anyone else think Bush is counterdicting himself here? He might as well then just let everyone else in on the reconstruction too. Some of these countries excluded from the list are to be owed a huge amount of money from Iraq. If I were one of these countries excluded from the help list like France or Germany I would tell Bush no to forgiving the debts.

    I realize that these countries didnt do anything to help, but that is their right, and this is just rubbing it in their face in the worst way possible. They obviously want to help if they want to make a deal out of with Bush, so Bush might as well let them.

    Important to note by the way, 23 of the 68 countries (according to abc news, just saw this on T.V.) that get to help Iraq did not send troops or give money, they just publically endorsed the war.

    what really baffles me is why Canada is not allowed to help. They gave over 300 million dollars and many troops to the coalition.

    The way I see it is that George Bush is still bitter about France, Germany, Russia, and the others against his invasion. This is a horrible idea George Bush is doing. These other countries can provide a lot to re-building Iraq.
     
  5. SlayerDragon

    SlayerDragon LLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLADIES

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    Yup, we went in there, blew the place up. Stomped all over it. Raped, pillaged, ate babies, and built a secret pipeline that pumps oil to the refinery underneath the White House.
     
  6. namu

    namu Bleh.

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    SlayerDragon, I don't think you can decently say the Iraqis are better up now. The only good thing this war has done was end the US-waged embargo that killed so many civilians there.

    In unrelated news, Halliburton is accused of overcharging for Iraq's oil. I think the correct term is "raping the deads".
     
  7. Kray

    Kray Time chaser

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    You want to know why many countries are angry? Bush administration asks countries to donate millions and billions of dollars to help reconstruction of Iraq in the recent Iraq Donation Fund Raiser thingy. Then Bush spits back in their faces saying "Thanks for your money, oh by the way, none of YOUR companies can bid for contracts because you didn't support us going to war. Ha! Ha! Suckers."

    Sorry to my american friends here, but I think Bush has got to be the worst president you ever had. And he's bringing down the good name of America with him in the eyes of The Rest Of The World to an all time low.
     
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    SlayerDragon LLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLADIES

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    :eek: Color me surprised. No, please, really. Go find a f*cking Crayola crayon (or perhaps some crayon manufactured in your country if it pleases you) with a color called "surprised" and color me with it. By all means, I insist.

    Since when does the rest of the world need an excuse to go "OMFG USA SUCKS!" Whoop-de-freakin' doo. Bush is the President of the United States of America. He is not President of the Entire World. He doesn't need to make the rest of the world happy.
     
  9. tool

    tool BuFs #1 mom

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    I think that he does need to make the rest of the world happy since he did get involved with "trying" to help the world. The U.S. can't just please it's self, it has to please the whole world since it has trade relations and other deals with other countries. It is the same thing that goes for all countries.
     
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    Still no WMD's found after 223 days but US says they are "on the right side of the history.", while others like France, Germany, Russia, wanted more time for inspectors. It proves that they were right being patient and therefore must be punished. It would be quite funny if it wasnt a fascist method.

    Second thing that noone is talking about is that if you get a contract your workers will get killed by Iraqi guerilla, just as Red Cross and UN was! So basically "disagreers" dont get to bid on suicide contracts. That's another surreal and yet funny thing.

    If I was Canada, France, Germany, Russia I'd pull all troups from Afghanistan and pull out all money that helps those missions as well as support on so called "war on terrorism"....and play the "no one's a bigger idiot than me" racing game.
     
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  11. Kray

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    Thank god for that.


    That's where you're wrong. No country, no matter big or small can live in this world in isolation. You need trade for your economy (and to give people jobs, which reduces crime rate etc), peace for stability and goodwill for basically everything else. America's foreign policies have a much greater impact on the lives of regular american that you realise. One could argue that Sept 11 is a result of a "failed" foreign policy in the middle east (e.g. excessive support of Israel etc), but I don't want to go into that.
     
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    I realise that, but he still doesn't have to make the rest of the world happy. I am not preaching isolationism. What I am saying is, as the most powerful country on the planet, the USA doesn't need to cater to everyone else, and I get tired of hearing that we should.

    I also have to agree with Doc on the fact that whoever does do the work, is sure as hell going to see some casualties.
     
  13. Ferd

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    So, do you admit that this war was for selfish reasons?

    Being the world's only superpower, and at the same time preaching being the ultimate land of freedom and democracy, kinda carries a "moral responsibility"... and that's what exactly makes the USA to have to make the rest of the countries in the world more or less "happy"... and even more when it is invading another country and having hundreds of military bases all around the world.

    Otherwise all the kids will gangup to beat up the abusive big kid, sooner or later.

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    As for the contracts, it's shamefull to see that Iraqi's future is in these kinda hands. Their oil is supposed to pay the rebuildings right?.... wouldn't it be fair to let them choose?... and if that's not possible, wouldn't it be fair to let the best Corp. in terms of price/quality ,from any place of the world, get the contract; instead of reducing the range of choice to only 7 countries (and who would dare to say to a few campaign contributors :rolleyes: ).

    Shouldn't Bush instead be worried about the Iraqi's having to pay the rebuildings of their own things in the least expensive way for them? I think the´ve already paid enough with poverty, hunger, blood and suffering.

    Isn't kinda cheap and dirty to put money over the hundreds of those dead American soldiers that gave their own lives with the purpose of freeing the Iraqis in exchange of nothing?
    Does Bush think that a human life has a monetary equivalence?
    Have all the American citizens paid the Iraqi liberation to receive something in exchange? - anyone wanna answer? :confused:

    Maybe he's thinking he invented the business of the millenium....(do I need to explain wich?)
     
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  14. Clayeth

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    so you're saying that countries that didn't take the risk and spend the money in the first part of the operation should get the money to help rebuild it? I know you all hate Bush, I'm not a fan of the guy either (although, I don't like what I've seen of Dean either, and it looks like those are going to be my options :() but this is one thing that he's done which DOES make sense.

    Now, giving the contracts to his friends companies and major contributors, regardless of who had the best bid, THAT is what you should all be pissed about. This would be like you and another guy being at a 7-11 being robbed, and you attack the robber, subdueing him until the police arrive, then the other guy getting a reward for his capture when all he did was go hide in the ice-cream freezer.
     
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    Everybody needs to realize that USA and UK did as many dirty afairs as France Russia and Germany did with Saddam, if not more. They all have their hands dirty with Iraqi ppl's blood. So moral isnt a word to use in the same sentence as names of those countries when talking about Iraq.
    Who cares about contracts in a lawless occupied country? Only theifs.
     
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    The way things unfolded they probably shouldn't have gone in, especially alone. France, Germany, etc still refuse to send any peace-keeping force to help while the Iraqi forces are being assembled and trained. Regardless of whether it was right or wrong in the first place, the only way that they are interested in getting involved is in the one way that will pad their own pockets. If they were to send some forces to help with the current needs over there, then I would say open up the bids to them. That would get a lot of American forces out of the country and make people here a lot happier, gaining more support for him for the election. However, he really doesn't seem to have any sort of ability when it comes to diplomacy. Even now we're sending forces over there. A friend of mine that was my roomate last year is leaving next month and is scheduled to be there for a year.
     
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    Some ppl think that oil-halliburton theory is far from the truth. Im not one of them. USA is trying to lessen the dependance on Sauid oil and its doing that by ocupying Iraq. Anyone that really thinks that Bush & co care about Iraqi freedom, must be totally dumb or on drugs.

    Soldiers/Iraqi lifes are like flys on the wall for them. Its all about rich Americans getting more rich.
     
  18. Iron Archer

    Iron Archer Holy ****ing King of Trolls

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    I'm glad to see that there are at least some (scant few) people with some rational molecules in their body (ie: Clayeth) who can see the logic in this decision. Now, let's go with an analogy... on second thought, no, how about the pure facts?

    The US has put it's money and it's lives on the line (sound familiar europe) and made the hard choices that many countries simply refuse to make for no other reason than disdain for the US/complacency/appeasment *what 12 resolutions later?* (or those who made more of a profit leeching off Iraqi oil "for food" and selling them missiles *cough* france/germany/russia). So, the "prodigal countries" come back to the front door with hands open, after the US and it's allies have done all the initial "dirty" work that everyone else is so superior to, and expect hand outs?! You can't even get any acknowledgment from the naysayers regarding the mass graves or the many, many months that Iraq paid France, Germany, and Russia to stall the UN (after all, keeping Saddam in power meant that he *might* even pay back his debts to those countries).
     
  19. tool

    tool BuFs #1 mom

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    I don't see the problem in letting them help re-build Iraq. I mean it is rebuilding, it's not like they are trying to steal all the oil, and even if they were so what? The U.S. is obviously trying to do the samething. That is why I think Bush wont let France or the others in on it. Why else would Bush not let them in? They want to help.

    What about Canada? They helped, why cant they get in on it? What about these 26 other countries that only publically said they support the way but they did nothign else? They are in on it, why? They didnt do anything, how is that fair?
     
  20. Iron Archer

    Iron Archer Holy ****ing King of Trolls

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    Doc, as an aside to your comment on the US's greed, I'll submit to you this: We simply want to have free trade of goods, ie: oil--the oil we showed the middle east how to drill, without having some d#ckhead terrorists who use their religion as an excuse, and threatening violence against sovereign nations such as Saudi Arabia if they do not fund them with millions if not billions of dollars. It's so easy for them to say the US is "the great satan" since we are thousands of miles away, and the people of the middle east only know what they are told, and the most ignorant ones go on the suicide missions. We pay for their oil, and for that we should be killed?

    The US is just a scapegoat that the terrorists can use to extort the countries of the region to give them money. If they do not fund them, they would be targets as well (ie: turkey). Saudi is stepping up it's efforts, and is starting to become a target of Osama, but with 700+ Saudi "princes" there will always be some schmoe willing to pay $$ to stay alive.
     

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