-={«BuA» Intraclan Tournament}=-

[«BuA»Lurker_71]

This afternoon, Boney and I discussed creating a tournament for the members of our clan.
The tournament will consist of 1v1 matches, will be based on a point scale (you have to earn so many points to be able to challenge a higher level player), and will also create the need for 8-10 1v1 CTF maps.
We're asking you clan mappers to jump in and make a few small 1v1 to help out, if possible.

The tourney will go on as long as we have people who are willing to play, and is an excellent way to hone your skills as a fighter.
Matches will be on a challenge basis; requiring fighters to be within a certain # of points to be able to challenge another player... though in the begining, we will all start with a set amount of points, making it a free for all.

Those that wish to help create maps will have a bit of a time limit; 2 weeks to complete 2 maps, unless there are fewer than 4 people helping with the maps.

There are details to be worked out, rules and ideas to implement, and certain other requirements to take care of... but we've got a good start, and right now we're looking for people who would be interested in signing up.

This means you!​

We're keeping this within our clan, so the more of you that join up, the more fun it will be for everyone.
This isn't only about supporting «BuA»... this is about having a good time, fraggin' with yer bros, and getting better at what we do at the same time.

So sign up!
Let's do some fraggin together!​

 

[«BuA»Lurker_71]

Let's get this party started!
I'm in!

 

[Devastator]

I'm in too... OMG I'll get pwned so many times.

 

[Shattered_Steel]

Being as I'm the second best 1v1-er in the clan, I guess I'll have to sign up. (Well, Lurk, you do still have yet to beat me 1v1.)

I won't be making any maps, but I will go through all my maps and those on the server to see which ones are good for 1v1 playing.

 

[TAZTG]

I think that our natural flag runners or offensive minded players will have an advantage in this type of tourney. How about we try a Clan 2v2 Style of Ladder. Small Maps and we pair an Offense and Defense Player together as teams. Something to think about but either way since I am the BEST Player count me in.

 

[Bonecrusher]

omg...I must be third then. LOL
Maybe we can get more than one ladder going...I dunno.

But I'm in...will be keeping the webpage updated...and making maps.
Wheeeee!

 

[«BuA»Lurker_71]

I think that our natural flag runners or offensive minded players will have an advantage in this type of tourney. How about we try a Clan 2v2 Style of Ladder. Small Maps and we pair an Offense and Defense Player together as teams. Something to think about but either way since I am the BEST Player count me in.

One of the ideas behind this was that we would get the (1v1) training once discussed by the Core members. Personally, I believe that this was the main reason I progressed as I did, and I'm sure it will help others, as well.
Besides, there's nothing wrong with a lil healthy competition, right? And it's all in fun!!

 

[Shattered_Steel]

I was just thinking that this is more of a ladder, not a tournament. If we wanted a tournament, there would need to be some sort of schedule or elimination rounds to determine a winner. I -was- thinking of organizing an intraclan 2v2 tournament. It would be an individual thing where everyone would play on every else's team. It would be a round-robin rotating schedule, with everyone playing against and with everyone else. The winner at the end of the tournament would be the individual with the most wins, with other rewards like "best team", "most consistant", "MVP", "best defender", and "best flag carrier", etc. Would anyone be interested in that?

 

[Bonecrusher]

Everyone plays on everyone elses team...I don't like it. Cuz nobody will be able to go undefeated...because a certain teammate might not help very much...and then the better people might end up not winning...get me?

 

[Shattered_Steel]

Are you saying that someone on our clan wouldn't have the honor to play their best at all times? I, personally, would take offense to that. No one on Alpha Squad would do that, in my opinion, and BD and Enigma seem to like playing too much to waste their time with losing on purpose. Did you have someone in mind, BC?

You also would have to remember that everyone would have to play with *everyone* else. So if there was a player that you thought couldn't quite hold up their end, just remember that everyone else has to play with that person on their team as well.

 

[Bonecrusher]

Then whats the point of 2v2?

If anything the people that want to get involved...(we wouldn't have more than three teams anyway) should be able to pick a partner...and be on that team.

 

[Shattered_Steel]

Then whats the point of 2v2?

If anything the people that want to get involved...(we wouldn't have more than three teams anyway) should be able to pick a partner...and be on that team.

Ah, but what would that show, and what would we learn? (The answer to both questions is 'not much', btw.) The way I suggest it is much better for many reasons:

First, the selfish reasons:
1) It would, loosely, show who is the best player in a team environment.
2) Also show who is best at defense, offense, etc, since stats will be tracked and awards given at the end of the tournament based on those stats.
3) Each person may be able to gain additional respect from fellow clan members, since MVP for a team would be choosen by the opposite team (and possibly any spectators).

Second, for the clan learning reasons:
4) Obviously, to work on teamwork.
5) To work on better communication, since I expect everyone would want to use TS for their matches.
6) Further practice in a team-based environment.
7) Develop responsibility of and for the participation.
8) I saved the most important for last: So we can learn about each other; our strengths, our weaknesses, what we like and don't like to do, and what we might be capable of but don't know it yet.

Playing the round-robin rotating schedule would help us to develop trust and camaraderie between each clan member. This, I believe, would prove invaluable to the clan from more than just a competition standpoint.

Now, if you want, I could bring up the points against doing it as you suggested, but I think the good points here speak for themselves.

 

[Bonecrusher]

Fine, whatever, you do what you wanna do.
If you wanna make a little 2v2 thing...fine...go right ahead. But me and Lurk know what we came up with...and its a winner...and its ORGANIZED already. Only me, lurk, and dev have seen what we got so far...and its 133t. they can back me up on that...and its a good cause.

I'm done argueing with you about this...because I wouldnt be in charge anyway...if you wanna set something up...go right ahead. But it ain't gonna be as pretty as this 1v1 thing.

BTW: Let's say four people want to participate in this 2v2 thing...or maybe even 6 if you get lucky. Now...first thing...some people just don't believe in teamwork...and never will. Theres some people that don't say more than two words on TS during a scrim...personally...I wouldn't want to be on a team with someone that doesn't cooperate. All that would do is get one person on the team heated...me for example...i get heated very easily as you all know. I just can't work with someone that doesn't know what they have to do. I don't want to be rude...and im not pointing this at one person. I know everyone has weaknesses...and thats what this 1v1 thing is for. You gotta do a little bit of everything to be able to win. Thats the only way peoples skills will improve in every situation.

I know theres more people that want to do this 1v1 thing...I actually think everyone should do it so you get a couple more fragging hours in.

Thats all I have to say.

 

[«BuA»Lurker_71]

IMO:

We're sitting here talking about teamwork and getting things rolling, but all I'm really seeing is people butting heads.
You want teamwork? Try getting together on a project, working out the details, getting people involved, and trying to make it something WORTH DOING!

Yeah, we've got some really good people.
Yeah, we've got a LOT of good people.

But right now, the way I'm seeing things... we do NOT have a "team".

I expressed my concerns with AX on the 2v2 deal... where we broke up into squads to go against other clans... what good was that? How many people actually got involved?

3 people.

Here is an opportunity to get the entire clan involved in something that could make us better as individuals, and better as a team... and yer gonna argue about it?

Maybe you don't want us to be a team, eh?
Maybe it's all about the few, instead of the team?

Pardon me for being frank, but;
Get over yourselves... we need to do this together, or not do it at all.

Is that so hard to understand?

 

[Shattered_Steel]

Whoa, cool your jets there, BC. If you are upset because you think I'm saying we should do a 2v2 *instead* of a 1v1, you completely misunderstood me. I was saying we could do a 2v2 tournament in addition to or after we do the 1v1 thing.

I was surprised when BC started fighting the whole idea of a 2v2 tournament, because the way I was settting it up, it was sort of an individual achievement thing, which I thought he would like, giving he thinks he's all that 1v1 (and who's to say he's not?). I was frankly quite surprised when he didn't just express a disinterest for it, but outright attacked it. I thought he didn't understand what I meant, so I tried to clarify, and then I get this... attitude... from him that I certainly do not think that I deserve. I've already said I was going to participate in the 1v1, why would I want to replace it? Here I am, just running an idea by everyone, and I get a "no, forget that, loser, cause *my* idea is better". Is it just me, or does that seem rather childish?

 

[TAZTG]

Damn, I am sorry I brought up an idea for a Clan 2v2 Tourney. I had no idea it would turn into such a nasty issue.

First let me answer a couple of these questions.

Besides, there's nothing wrong with a lil healthy competition, right?

I agree and didn't suggest that we not have a 1v1 clan tourney. I was only making a suggestion about a 2v2 tourney. I applaud Lurk, BC, Dev and who ever help get this 1v1 thing going. It shows a strong clan unity and I like that.. Good Job..

I -was- thinking of organizing an intraclan 2v2 tournament. It would be an individual thing where everyone would play on every else's team.

I think this idea is alot better then perm. 2v2 team. This way everyone gets to play with everyone else. This would give each of us an opportunity to learn each others skills (Strengths & Weaknesses). I would alos like to point out here that Steel stated he was thinking of organizing it and I would be willing to help. Why does Steel get grief for a good idea beats me??

Now...first thing...some people just don't believe in teamwork...and never will. Theres some people that don't say more than two words on TS during a scrim...personally...I wouldn't want to be on a team with someone that doesn't cooperate. All that would do is get one person on the team heated...me for example...i get heated very easily as you all know. I just can't work with someone that doesn't know what they have to do. I don't want to be rude...and im not pointing this at one person. I know everyone has weaknesses...and thats what this 1v1 thing is for. You gotta do a little bit of everything to be able to win. Thats the only way peoples skills will improve in every situation.

BC, this sounds like you have problems playing on a team with folks that aren't as skilled as you. The point behind playing with each other is to help each other improve their skills. I have asked you countless times how did you do that or this and it helps me understand and improve my skills. I understand that you get heated easily, I also get heated rather quickly but for different reasons. We all have to improve our skills in communication and playing as a team. It takes time and patience but eventually we will get there. Instead of refusing to play with someone that doesn't know what they have to do why not talk with them at practice and help them understand and improve their skills. I honestly feel that your one hell of a player and if you learned how to relax more you would be awesome.. (Thats a compliment so please take it as such). I also apologize if you feel I was rude to you during the last scrim. AX, has corrected me on how I should respond and I will try to improve my tact.

I expressed my concerns with AX on the 2v2 deal... where we broke up into squads to go against other clans... what good was that? How many people actually got involved?

3 people

It was a IGLNet 2v2 ladder. Me, Steel & BC joined a ladder, we asked and was hoping that more of you would want to join. If someone would have said, I want to join but don't have a partner any 3 of us would have quit the team and created one with them. Don't throw that back at us, it was my first taste of ladders and it was very fun and everyone should have gotten involved.

Here is an opportunity to get the entire clan involved in something that could make us better as individuals, and better as a team... and yer gonna argue about it?

No-one here was arguing about the 1v1 ladder idea. In fact I think its a good idea and sounds like fun.

Maybe you don't want us to be a team, eh?
Maybe it's all about the few, instead of the team?

Pardon me for being frank, but;
Get over yourselves... we need to do this together, or not do it at all.

Is that so hard to understand?

Take a deep breath, no-one said anything negative about the 1v1 idea. I made a suggestion, Steel added to it. Lets all calm down and relax.


I Love Playing with all of you. Lets not argue about making suggestions. Lets work together and make this 1v1 thing work. If it works out and everyone has fun, then we can all work together on a 2v2 thingy.. Talk to you all later.

 

[AX000]

I believe there was a misunderstanding.

BoneCrusher, Lurker_71: Indeed your 1v1 Tournament will be useful for individual training and amusing to the clan, and it will remain your project.

SS: This new 1v1 Tournament may have been a surprise to you and others. I know you have been working on your own Tournament project. SS your 2v2 Tournament will also be amusing and will assist with teamwork training.

Indeed both Tournaments can exist and the Directors of each can make the decisions they find acceptable.

It is important to recall that each of you are Assassins for the Clan.
Assassins fight along the side of fellow Assassins in combat.
Assassins only fight each other during online training exercises or special Tournaments.

 

[AX000]

I will enter the 1v1 Tournament.

 

[«BuA»Lurker_71]

Damn, I am sorry I brought up an idea for a Clan 2v2 Tourney. I had no idea it would turn into such a nasty issue.

You misunderstand... I'm not bashing SS, and I'm not bashing BC. I'm saying; if we can't do this together, then it will never get done.
For me, it's about the whole team... not one or two.

I think this idea is alot better then perm. 2v2 team. This way everyone gets to play with everyone else. This would give each of us an opportunity to learn each others skills (Strengths & Weaknesses). I would alos like to point out here that Steel stated he was thinking of organizing it and I would be willing to help. Why does Steel get grief for a good idea beats me??

He's not. Boney got the impression that SS was taking an idea that he and I formulated (having waited for a long bit of time for word from the Core, that we were indeed going into the specialized training mentioned in our emails), and making it his own. Personally, I can understand that Boney might get that impression... SS sometimes comes across like the one in charge. I don't hold that against him, but sometimes a little tact is in order.

It was a IGLNet 2v2 ladder. Me, Steel & BC joined a ladder, we asked and was hoping that more of you would want to join. If someone would have said, I want to join but don't have a partner any 3 of us would have quit the team and created one with them. Don't throw that back at us, it was my first taste of ladders and it was very fun and everyone should have gotten involved.

I'm not throwing anything back at anyone. I stated how I felt, and that's it... period.

No-one here was arguing about the 1v1 ladder idea. In fact I think its a good idea and sounds like fun.

Yes, it is. So how about we quit analyzing it, and get it started?

Take a deep breath, no-one said anything negative about the 1v1 idea. I made a suggestion, Steel added to it. Lets all calm down and relax.

I am calm.

I Love Playing with all of you. Lets not argue about making suggestions. Lets work together and make this 1v1 thing work. If it works out and everyone has fun, then we can all work together on a 2v2 thingy..

Again, the idea was misunderstood. Boney and I also discussed 2v2 and 3v3 team ladders... but we wanted to see how interested everyone was first, before we jumped in headfirst.

Not to mention that we had roles for just about anyone who wanted to be involved... Boney was going to take care of the webpage, we were going to ask SS to do the stats, everyone else was intended to help create titles for certain achievements in the matches, help organize the events, and keep the rotation moving.

We just want everyone to get in there and have a good time... and maybe learn something new in the process.
I would hate to lose more members because they got bored of doing the same thing every week... this could change that.
We want people to be more involved, we want people to get in there and be proud to support BuA.

And ya know... out of all the members of BuA... the one we hear the least from should be the one we work the hardest to get in here.

So BT, let me offer you your own personal invitation to the tourney... because I want you to get in here and play hard and love it like the rest of us do. And hell, we all know yer a damn good player, so why doncha get in here and prove it to us?

 

[Bonecrusher]

I have asked you countless times how did you do that or this and it helps me understand and improve my skills.

Thats exactly right, and that shows you have some interest in improving your skills...everyone else tends to believe they can't improve anymore...and they are so wrong. I still have a lot of skills to improve, so everyone else can improve too...you just have to play more.

Take a deep breath, no-one said anything negative about the 1v1 idea. I made a suggestion, Steel added to it. Lets all calm down and relax.

I'm not quite calm yet...
You know why?

Is it just me, or does that seem rather childish?

Oh no no no...it seems to me that you are a little too grown-upish.
Everyone else around here either IS a kid...or acts like a big kid. And thats what makes everything work around here.

Now im gonna go to school and fail a quiz or two...so I can come back and be heated on school instead of this...