Be Smart, don't Vote Republican (says new Canadian study)

[Hermskii]

Good post. Interesting view there in the FOX segment you provided. I'm pretty sure some folks prejudged me for being from Texas. Go Texas! But I also noticed that you didn't answer any of my questions. Perhaps you didn't to keep me from stereotyping you or perhaps I nailed it on the first try. I was shocked at first to hear you ever support Ron Paul but then realized a nephew of mine in his early 20's does.

All of the on liners here are interesting to me too. At least you sat down and gave thought to your argument. It sounds too like you agree with plenty of my opinion and yet you still feel polar opposite on several other subjects still within the realm of politics.

I don't mention civil war to scare people at all. I mention it to bring awareness that there is a pretty big crowd on ants out there that are getting pretty tired of all of the lazy grasshoppers ruining our day. Our great unifier President has fractured this country far more than the anybody I have ever seen. If he wind again I'm pretty sure a race war will be around the corner right after the class war he has already started.

I am excited about the next Presidential race. One of us will be right. Hopefully we'll still be having this debate all the way to that moment! I'm up for it! I think Obama's chances of winning again are as good as the chance of him and his family ever celebrating Christmas Day in the White House instead of in Hawaii.

 

[Jacks:Revenge]

If he wind [wins*] again I'm pretty sure a race war will be around the corner right after the class war he has already started.

 

[Hermskii]

LOL. Good picture. Many things have come to pass that I have predicted. Yeah, go ahead and smirk. I'm amazingly tough skinned and can take your criticism all day long. I also feel that based simply on the fear that somebody might call out somebody else here that people's "location" under their avatar is usually blamed or has a smart remark.

I'll bet that most of the folks here that disagree with me are using FireFox for their browser or Chrome. That always tickles me too.

So liberals...paint me a picture. Tell how you see the next year going down. On a scale of 1 - 10 with 10 being the highest and best score rate Obama so far. I give him 3 and only because he killed OBL and keeps taking it to those who would harm us.

Wow! I haven't been so excited to check in on a forum like this in a long time! Thanks!

 

[Wail of Suicide]

Don't be such a tool, Hermskii. It's really sad to see you try and argue with such adamance about 'conservatives vs. liberals', 'republicans vs. democrats'.

I really liked that clip of Judge Napolitano by the way. I don't agree with everything he says, but we definitely need a game changer. Unfortunately, the only person who fits that bill is not a serious contender at this point.

 

[Hermskii]

I just showed this topic to a friend of mine. He laughed wondering where all of the liberals here come from. I invited him to join in but he says he doesn't have enough time what with all of the work he has to get done to take care of the liberals.

He reminded me too of the woman who wants her birth control paid for. The woman who enrolled at that law school knowing they did not have a policy to cover her birth control and now she wants there to be one. Think she's a liberal? Oh yeah. LOL. Any of you have any opinion on that? Do you think that tax payers should pay for birth control?

 

[Benfica]

I don't understand why the U.S. is trying to reinvent the wheel. You have to choose which kind of society do you want and then STICK WITH IT for long (a decade or more). A mix of the 2 models:
- individualist: low-taxes, reduced services, minimal state, everyone for himself, higher personal income, lower protection
- socialist: high-taxes, welfare state, universal services, solidarity, lower personal income, higher protection

There are advantages and problems with both, but ultimately they can work. What you can't do is switch them every time there is an election. Paying low taxes but wanting all the goodies, leads to country external debt and perhaps recession. High taxes without social protection is robbing the people.

Of course, since the debt is there, you have to make budget cuts. But for the love of God, don't go towards individualism even more, just because you're scared of the word "socialism". Do you want to breathe polluted air, eat terrible food, pay a fortune for meds and health-care, be homeless and starve if you lose your job?

 

[Zxanphorian]

Do you think that tax payers should pay for birth control?

Hint: It is the insurance company (by way of the employer), not the taxpayers that would provide the preventative care, if it is so desired. Nobody is forced to accept the plan.


Also congrats for becoming the new Larkin.

 

[Balton]

Also congrats for becoming the new Larkin.

at least larkin seemed serious. this new one reeks of trolling.

 

[Hermskii]

As sure as I'm quick to label liberals when I see them I'll except your labeling of me as Larkin though I hear he was left wing and I assure you I'm not.

Who do you think pays the insurance companies? Our rates are all going to go way up. Please argue with that.

Balton are you one of the ones that thinks the government has money or are you like me and know the government only has money the people give it? There is a difference! Obama care says it will provide insurance for 30 million more people. Do you really think your rates aren't going up? When the government mandates something that gets paid for by me paying for it, it is a tax. You go ahead and call it what you want.

 

[SlayerDragon]

DA GUBBERMINT

 

[Vaskadar]

Hermskii, I can't say I support any of the presidential candidates, and your jabs at me weren't worth answering, but since you're now making assumptions about me, I have to respond. In a republic, one must vote for their representatives else be misrepresented. Get it? I couldn't give two shits who the next president is going to be, because at this point, they're just figureheads.

After having looked at the primaries, I'm actually quite disappointed in the American people for having allowed such candidates to garner their votes.

But man, you sure are quick to lay the blame on one dude. It had nothing to do with you being from Texas, but the assumptions you're making are quickly turning you into the laughing stock of these forums. Stereotyping? You're profiling yourself. It's like when a dude puts purple neon lights on his white SUV and then proceeds to speed down the highway, gets pulled over, and then complains that they're profiling him.

My hypothesis on the election is that the Republican party will be too fractured and in disarray (because of the wide variety of crackpots). You also assumed that I supported Ron Paul because of the video.

I'm not a Democrat or a Republican. I'm of the Independent party, and I'm quite pragmatic when it comes to these things. Unfortunately, my interests are not being represented in this election. And while I agree with a lot of the things Ron Paul supports, I can't say I agree completely. None of them have my vote. What's likely going to happen if one of the republican candidates gets in (I really hope it's not Gingrich or Santorum). Is that he's probably going to go and do the same thing that his predecessors did, regardless of party. Don't go and deliberately misinterpret what I said, either. Predecessors include, Obama (assuming he doesn't win), Bush, Clinton, HW Bush, Reagan, and so on and so forth.

I absolutely hate Gingrich and Santorum. FundaMENTALists if you ask me. How can one say that they support freedom if they wish to quash it with a theocratic state? That's hypocrisy, they'd never get more votes that way. Romney and Paul are however, much more tolerable. I won't say I support either one, because I don't. I don't support Obama either. His presidency drove me from being a Democrat and opened up my eyes to pragmatism. Presidents don't matter a whole lot. The people they appoint, do. Midterm elections make a much bigger difference as far as representation of your interests. If a candidate garners enough votes to win the popular votes, that can still be overturned by the electoral college (as with what happened with Bush Jr. in the 2000 elections).

P.S. Larkin was a looney.

 

[Hermskii]

I didn't say you supported Ron Paul but I did see where someone had said they "did at one time" Here is where that was said:

I admit that I was a Paul supporter many many years ago, but more I got to thinking, no matter how good his arguments may be (he does have very valid points), he throws the baby out with the bathwater.

I'm starting to lean independent in that I see how much damage has been done by both the primary parties. I can't agree more that the mid term elections are likely the most important time to vote. I'm well aware of how our system works and how much influence our President has but to say he is only a figure head is wrong. Obama approved the health-care bill and vetoed the pipeline. I'd say the person in the Presidency has plenty of power in which to make bad decisions and make my life worse.

I can't take the Larkin title if he was a loon since I am not one. Sorry. If you feel that I am a laughing stock here because 4 or 5 regulars here are hardened liberals who are not afraid to speak up to defend themselves , you are also wrong. Liberals gone independent are just ashamed of what their last vote has done for this country. Republicans gone independent happens too and for the same reason except republicans will admit the real reason why and the person they go independent with is usually the conservative person in the running.

I think there is too much government in my life. I think our system is bogged down because of it. I think people should be made more to rely on themselves and not handouts from other people via the government. I think it is wrong that generations of families have been able to survive on food stamps. I think it is wrong that people don't have to take piss tests to get free money and services from our government. I think there is a law that dictates the immigrants that came here illegally are illegal immigrants and they need to be shipped back out of this country no matter how long they have been here and no matter how many additional dependants are now here because the 1st one broke the law and came here in the first place. I think illegals should get treatment at our hospitals once and then be arrested at the hospital and shipped home. I think food stamps should only last 1 year for any recipient.

What is wrong with me feeling the way I feel about what I have said here. It is my opinion. You don't have to share it or respect it yet by law I have to support all of the things I listed here that I dislike. What is wrong with wanting a balanced budget? How do you feel knowing the Senate hasn't passed a budget in over 1000 days? There is so much crap going on here right now there is no good place to start trying to get it cleaned up. What would you do first? What would have the greatest impact? I'd go after the illegals first followed closely by opening up everything we have in the way of energy independence. Your turn! What would you do 1st and 2nd?

 

[Vaskadar]

I didn't say you supported Ron Paul but I did see where someone had said they "did at one time" Here is where that was said:



I'm starting to lean independent in that I see how much damage has been done by both the primary parties. I can't agree more that the mid term elections are likely the most important time to vote. I'm well aware of how our system works and how much influence our President has but to say he is only a figure head is wrong. Obama approved the health-care bill and vetoed the pipeline. I'd say the person in the Presidency has plenty of power in which to make bad decisions and make my life worse.

I can't take the Larkin title if he was a loon since I am not one. Sorry. If you feel that I am a laughing stock here because 4 or 5 regulars here are hardened liberals who are not afraid to speak up to defend themselves , you are also wrong. Liberals gone independent are just ashamed of what their last vote has done for this country. Republicans gone independent happens too and for the same reason except republicans will admit the real reason why and the person they go independent with is usually the conservative person in the running.

I think there is too much government in my life. I think our system is bogged down because of it. I think people should be made more to rely on themselves and not handouts from other people via the government. I think it is wrong that generations of families have been able to survive on food stamps. I think it is wrong that people don't have to take piss tests to get free money and services from our government. I think there is a law that dictates the immigrants that came here illegally are illegal immigrants and they need to be shipped back out of this country no matter how long they have been here and no matter how many additional dependants are now here because the 1st one broke the law and came here in the first place. I think illegals should get treatment at our hospitals once and then be arrested at the hospital and shipped home. I think food stamps should only last 1 year for any recipient.

What is wrong with me feeling the way I feel about what I have said here. It is my opinion. You don't have to share it or respect it yet by law I have to support all of the things I listed here that I dislike. What is wrong with wanting a balanced budget? How do you feel knowing the Senate hasn't passed a budget in over 1000 days? There is so much crap going on here right now there is no good place to start trying to get it cleaned up. What would you do first? What would have the greatest impact? I'd go after the illegals first followed closely by opening up everything we have in the way of energy independence. Your turn! What would you do 1st and 2nd?

Alright, you've validated your reasons, and I respect that.

EDIT: My vote for Obama was placed (I was 19 at the time) because I was scared of the potential hazard that the volatile Palin posed. That was my reasoning back then. I don't think either candidate was really better than the other back then, but the idea of a hockey mom wishing to impose her personal reign of terror over the liberty of freedom of religion (or lack thereof) scared the shit out of me (not to mention many other people).

Now I can't say who I'd vote for. Wouldn't be Gingrich, Santorum, Obama, or Romney. Paul is pretty naive and even if he were to somehow achieve presidency, he couldn't do much while he is there. He'd be able to appoint individuals, but he wouldn't be able to get legislation to pass, since special interest groups would be against him the whole damn time.

The first two things that I'd desire are one: energy independence, as I've campaigned that here quite a bit, and more efficient allocation of tax money. Prisons shouldn't be getting as much as they are, and the system has turned into a business. If we were to gain energy independence, we wouldn't be spending so much of our tax dollars on resource wars and jihads, and maybe we'd be able to get back to working on our future. An independent America, a non-world-policing America is a stronger America. Unfortunately, we're a global power, and it's unlikely that we'd be able to become a neutral power again. The third thing I'd want to see is bringing back some of the jobs that we've exported. Rectifying the trade deficit needs to be a high priority. Our nation needs to produce more goods to keep afloat. I wish that corporations hadn't cut people instead of hours. If they had cut hours, we'd still have consumers on the market. The problem is, if you cut employees, and nobody's hiring, how are you supposed to conduct business? You can't when nobody can pay for your services or goods. A capital system is DRIVEN by consumption and exchange of capital goods.

 

[Crotale]

I couldn't give two shits who the next president is going to be, because at this point, they're just figureheads.

That is a hell of a wrong attitude to take. While the President has limited power (by design of the Constitution) the Administration has specific duties and obligations that go far beyond "figurehead." Consider the State Department, the Justice Department and others that play vital roles in the security and continuity of our country, its resources and connections with our allies. The President also nominates Supreme Court Justices. So no, I don't see the President as a figurehead at all.

My vote for Obama was placed (I was 19 at the time) because I was scared of the potential hazard that the volatile Palin posed. That was my reasoning back then. I don't think either candidate was really better than the other back then, but the idea of a hockey mom wishing to impose her personal reign of terror over the liberty of freedom of religion (or lack thereof) scared the shit out of me (not to mention many other people).

This was blown out of proportion just as much, if not more than, Obama's leftist agendas and his lack of executive experience. At no time during Palin's stint as Governor did she impose her personal reign of terror over the liberty of freedom of religion on Alaskans, so why would she have done so as VP?

The first two things that I'd desire are one: energy independence, as I've campaigned that here quite a bit, and more efficient allocation of tax money. Prisons shouldn't be getting as much as they are, and the system has turned into a business. If we were to gain energy independence, we wouldn't be spending so much of our tax dollars on resource wars and jihads, and maybe we'd be able to get back to working on our future. An independent America, a non-world-policing America is a stronger America. Unfortunately, we're a global power, and it's unlikely that we'd be able to become a neutral power again. The third thing I'd want to see is bringing back some of the jobs that we've exported. Rectifying the trade deficit needs to be a high priority. Our nation needs to produce more goods to keep afloat. I wish that corporations hadn't cut people instead of hours. If they had cut hours, we'd still have consumers on the market. The problem is, if you cut employees, and nobody's hiring, how are you supposed to conduct business? You can't when nobody can pay for your services or goods. A capital system is DRIVEN by consumption and exchange of capital goods.

Ah, the old, "Why do we need to spend money on wars?" question again. More than 50% of our oil is imported, so we depend greatly on those other countries to be able to produce at levels we require. Although less than 20% comes form the Persian Gulf, it is in America's best interest to keep those countries producing oil. And we can no longer dream of the "good old days" where America was a stand-alone nation that lived mostly off its own resources. We have gotten ourselves into a corner with manufacturing and technology. Heck, even our President says we can import our fruits and vegetables instead of growing our own (in reference to the manmade drought situation in the San Joaquin Valley). The energy policies pushed by the Obama Administration are focused solely on green energy, of which the technology needed to bring this energy to a state that it can replace conventional energies is still decades away. Making conventional energies more expensive to necessitate spending on green technologies is a fallacious quest. It is dishonest, no matter what the end game is supposed to be, and, it hurts the very people who can least afford increases in their costs of living.

 

[Benfica]

Ah, the old, "Why do we need to spend money on wars?" question again. More than 50% of our oil is imported, so we depend greatly on those other countries to be able to produce at levels we require. Although less than 20% comes form the Persian Gulf, it is in America's best interest to keep those countries producing oil.

Nothing like admitting stuff without hypocrisy.

And from now on, any of you that whine about my posts regarding Muslim men in Europe, address your rubbish to Mr.Crotale, change your attitude (spend less, change your habits, protest against NATO wars, etc...) or at least STFU.

 

[Crotale]

Nothing like admitting stuff without hypocrisy.

And from now on, any of you that whine about my posts regarding Muslim men in Europe, address your rubbish to Mr.Crotale, change your attitude (spend less, change your habits, protest against NATO wars, etc...) or at least STFU.

How was I being hypocritical?

 

[Benfica]

How was I being hypocritical?

I wasn't kidding, you were not hypocritical. I appreciate that.

 

[Crotale]

I wasn't kidding, you were not hypocritical. I appreciate that.

Ah, I am illiterate then, lol.

 

[WedgeBob]

Well, let's not forget that the two most experienced candidates on the GOP side are still Romney and Gingrich, since they both officially have leadership experience of their own. Speaker of the House is considered a leadership role, since you are in charge of the House of Reps at that point, and Newt's been doing that for a good long time, and Romney, of course, not only being a governor, but also a CEO of some kind of business, not sure what type of biz he ran, tho, but it probably must have been a good business to have the deep pockets that he's got.

 

[Zxanphorian]

Romney, of course, not only being a governor, but also a CEO of some kind of business, not sure what type of biz he ran, tho, but it probably must have been a good business to have the deep pockets that he's got.

Bain Capital, an investment company. AKA a rich-man's corporation and not a relatable small-business.