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Bad.Mojo for moderator!

Discussion in 'Off Topic' started by Bad.Mojo, Aug 26, 2001.

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Mojo for mod?

Poll closed Aug 28, 2001.
  1. No

    5 vote(s)
    9.3%
  2. Hell no

    49 vote(s)
    90.7%
  1. phatcat

    phatcat akward cat

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    never thought of it that way :hmm:

    you did agree to the fourm guidelines when you registered.
     
  2. Bad.Mojo

    Bad.Mojo Commander in Chief o' the BMA

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    *BZZT BZZT* WRONG!

    I agreed to a statement on a different server on different forums on a different subdomain. (This was explained earlier too Mason, you sorta skipped out on that one, didn't you?)

    If Bob has a forum on a server on a domain xxx.yyy.com and I agree to his terms, am I still bound to those terms if I go to Bob's other forums, using completely different software, on his other server at aaa.bbb.com?

    I don't think so. Two different forums, two different agreements, and no carry-over clause in them. Period, Mason. YOU LOSE. Not me. But that's okay, cause I got something even more wonderful than I could have ever hoped for out of this thread.
     
  3. Trak

    Trak Rampant Suicide Machine

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    That is such a weak arguement. You are now officially ignored.
     
  4. Bad.Mojo

    Bad.Mojo Commander in Chief o' the BMA

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    I've already posted this in the Strike Force thread, where it makes a bit more sense (in context anyways.) Pretend its there.

    Well, since Mason, Hand of Darkness, Phatcat, Zundfolge, Keiichi, and Prophetus were so kind to point out to me, I agreed to a user agreement when I signed up. I was quick to realise that I was completely stupid and I was a terrible monster and should pray for death, but thankfully they granted me the right to join in their parroting of "even though we preach free speech publically, on private property its a different thing and wholeheartedly discouraged" rhetoric.

    <i>Registration to this forum is free! We do insist that you abide by the rules and policies detailed below. If you agree to the terms, please press the Agree button at the end of the page. Note: By pressing the button you declare that you are over the age of 13. If you are 13 or under, please use this registration form.

    Although the administrators and moderators of MGOForum will attempt to keep all objectionable messages off this forum, it is impossible for us to review all messages. All messages express the views of the author, and neither the owners of MGOForum or Jelsoft Enterprises Limited (developers of vBulletin) will be held responsible for the content of any message.

    By clicking the Agree button, you warrant that you will not post any messages that are obscene, vulgar, sexually-orientated, hateful, threatening, or otherwise violative of any laws.

    The owners of MGOForum have the right to remove, edit, move or close any thread for any reason.</i>

    Because such a stunning and blinding victory against me has turned my mind to a mushy, pulp like substance, I'll just copy and paste what they said to me. You can freely substitute the names as they apply.

    Hand of Darkness:

    <i>Notice that last paragraph. Let me repeat it, highlighting the main points, just in case you didn't get it the second time:


    quote:
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    <b>The owners of PlanetUnreal Forums have the RIGHT TO REMOVE, EDIT, MOVE OR CLOSE ANY THREAD, POST, OR USER FOR ANY REASON. The PlanetUnreal Forums IS NOT A PUBLIC FORUM, and is privately owned, operated, and maintained. If you have been banned by an administrator, you may not access this forum via any other means. Failure to comply with this agreement may result in termination of your ISP account.</b>
    --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    So unfortunately for you, Bad.Mojo, you don't have a leg to stand on. You agreed to the terms. You don't like it, tough ****.

    Obviously this place is nowhere near the condition of the SF forums, as this thread (and several others which could be construed as going against the mods/admins) has not been deleted or closed, and you have not been reprimanded in any way. Consider yourself lucky. There is respect for the members of this community on these forums.</i>

    Thankfully, HAND OF DARKNESS WAS WRONG AND I PRAISE GOD FOR IT! EXACTLY NINE MINUTES BEFORE HAND OF DARKNESS POSTED THIS, PROPHETUS INFORMED ME THAT THE ENTIRE BMA WOULD BE BANNED AT HIS DISCRETION! PRAISE THE LORD FOR SHOWING ME THE WAY! BURN THE HERETICS WHO CRY OUT FOR FREE SPEECH!

    And from Zundfolge:
    <i>As long as you don't violate those rules (which you have implied that you have no intention of doing so) then the point is moot. </i>

    BUT ITS OKAY ZUNDFOLGE! PROPHETUS HAS PROMISED TO BAN ME FOR BREAKING NO RULES, JUST LIKE ON THE STRIKEFORCE PRIVATE FORU-- word does not compute * oxymoron alert * warning: rewrite -- PRIVATE MESSAGE POSTING DIGITAL BINARY HARDDRIVES THAT BELONG TO AN ELITE, EXCLUSIVE OLIGARCHY WITH THE POWER TO DELETE OR LOCK ANY THREAD OR BAN ANY USER FOR ANY USER <b>SO SAYS THE USER AGREEMENT!</b>

    And from Mason:
    <i>while registering, you agree to abide by the rules that the host has in place. THAT is the final word, period, end of story, whether it is called a forum, message board, 'bob'(all of this was said earlier) is irrelevant, the bottom line is that when you clicked that 'I agree' button, you agreed to follow the terms set forth by those who are hosting these forums. Perhaps it IS hypocritical to call these 'forums', THAT I can agree with, but it is so insignificant that it isn't even worth the bother. You can argue these points until you are blue in the face, but once again, you AGREED to the terms that were in place when you registered for these forums. YOU LOSE! </i>

    And Phatcat:
    <i>never thought of it that way

    you did agree to the fourm guidelines when you registered.</i>

    PRAISE THE LORD JESUS CHRIST!

    And from this thread...
    from Keiichi:
    <i>The fact that he deleted both threads after displaying such wanton disrespect only serves to add insult to injury. </i>

    BUT KEIICHI? AREN'T THOSE FORUMS HIS PROPERTY? WHEN THE MAPPERS AND USERS REGISTERED, THEY GAVE HIM THE RIGHT TO DELETE, LOCK OR MOVE ANY OF THEIR POSTS, AS WELL AS BAN THEM!

    from Phatcat:
    <i>as I was saying in the development thread, there should be like union or some'n </i>

    UNION?! WHAT ABOUT THE WAVE? A UNION MAPPERS WILL PRODUCE <b>NAZIS</b>! PLEASE TELL ME YOU WERE JUST TESTING THEM, PHATCAT!

    <a href="http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0440993717/qid=999085827/sr=2-1/ref=aps_sr_b_1_1/103-8415808-0473401" target="_blank"><img src="http://images.amazon.com/images/P/0440993717.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg" border="0" alt=""></a>

    (click to buy)

    <blockquote><size="1">quote:<hr>
    <i>The powerful forces of group pressure that pervaded many historic movements such as Nazism are recreated in the classroom when history teacher Burt Ross introduces a "new" system to his students. And before long "The Wave," with its rules of "strength through discipline, community, and action, " sweeps from the classroom through the entire school. And as most of the students... </i>
    <hr></blockquote></p>

    from Mason:
    <i>Very unfortunate that Opti feels the need to do this. Even more unfortunate that he is alienating many who had supported him in the past. I personally lost my taste for the SF forums when 1) I got flamed continually when I made intelligent posts, and 2) when Opti started on his religious crusade a few months ago--y'know, the 'sticky' asking for donations and then the 'sticky' offering 'support'. All this while deleting any posts that opposed his viewpoint. Looking back, this whole development doesn't seem as much of a surprise, does it? Perhaps most of the mappers were atheists who wouldn't convert?</i>

    YOU SIGNED THE AGREEMENT! CHRIST ON A CRUTCH! YOU AGREED TO THIS... wait... aren't you the one who said this to me when I was bitching about the moderators here? something's not righ-- FREE SPEECH SUCKS! I AM A ZEALOT FOR PRIVATE PROPERTY! YOU SIGNED THAT AGREEMENT!

    from Phatcat again:
    <i>*cough*ass-hole*cough* </i>

    THEY AGREED TO THE AGREEMENT THAT MADE THEM AGREE TO AGREEING TO THE TERMS OF SERVICE AND ... you already said this to me though. Something's not right... ARGHGAGHG RAWR!!!

    from Mason again:
    <i>since all of their posts are apparently being deleted over on the SF forums..something that has never(as far as I know) happened here.</i>

    THEY AGREED TO THEIR AGREEMENT OF AGREEING TO BE ON THE FORUMS OF AGREEMENT AND CONTRACTUAL OBLIGATION AND ... wait... posts have been locked and deleted here, and users have been banned... God, something is soooo wro-- RAWWWWWWWWWWR!

    UngGAHAGHAHGhaHAGAHhghAHGhHAgh!!!

    Senses... returning. Mildly disoriented... hypocrites... got the best of me... still MUST CRUSADE... ung. But for free speech this time... Oooooh, my head hurts.

    <img src=http://badmojojacket.homestead.com/files/100blackjesus.jpg>
    Black Jesus sez: <i>Free speech is an important right. Despite end user agreements, one should always crusade for their beliefs. Remember, just because you agreed to something does not mean it is wrong to voice your dissent. Your right to speak your mind freely is what truly keeps us out of tyranny. Though they may compare this agreement to laws in your country, do not listen to them. Indeed, if your country said that they made the laws and they will not ever change, and if you voiced your dissent at them and were silenced through any means, this would be tyranny. An agreement as such is no less. Protect your rights today, fight for what you believe in.

    While we all must fear the machinations of the wicked, no evil should be so feared as the indifference of good men.</i>

    Thanks Black Jesus!
     
  5. Mason

    Mason Self appointed voice of reason

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    Mojo, you are SOOO reaching now, exposing just how patheric you really are and how far you are willing to go to further your own ends. Yeah, I signed the agreement, that's why I left the SF forums instead of fighting some ridiculous crusade, while I don't agree with what Opti is doing/has done, it IS his little piece of the forums and he can rule like a dictator if he so pleases. See, I have the ability to...LEAVE, and find someplace I feel comfortable, a place that values it's community and is a more mature forum overall(IMO). Your current arguments are becoming paper thin now and, actually, you are becoming a joke by continuing this unholy crusade. You complain about the state of these forums yet from what I can see, YOU are responsible for a large part of the unrest that now exists. All of your arguments can't erase the fact that you KNOW damn well that you are expected to follow the rules of this forum, whether you signed up 5 days ago or 5 years ago..you know this and yet you continue to fight, maybe you want all of the 'impressionable' people here to see you as some sort of 'revolutionary'..sorry, it just ain't so, my friend. God, I would SOOO like to see a picture of what you look like IRL(just so I can see if you look the way I picture you). Mojo, your argument here is over and you know it, all the misdirection, sleight of hand, and name callilng is not going to change that.
     
  6. Mason

    Mason Self appointed voice of reason

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    ...and for the record, just because we don't think it's right for Opti to do what he's done doesn't mean that he doesn't have the RIGHT to do it. We, of course, have the RIGHT to leave and find someplace we feel more comfortable.
     
  7. phatcat

    phatcat akward cat

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    you should not spam on multiple threads mojo :p

    pip'squack
     
  8. asmodeus

    asmodeus DB addict

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    please Mojo, please! Stop now!

    I don't like you at all, but I don't like seeing people being humiliated in a pathetic attempt to be right :(
     
  9. Iceman

    Iceman Who Dares Wins

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    Just let it go asmodeus since it's only in one thread, if you don't like it don't look :/ . And also
    If they don't like it then they don't have to reply.

    Iceman.
     
  10. Euphoric Beaver

    Euphoric Beaver impeccably groomed

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    Where? What's the url?
     
  11. Keiichi

    Keiichi Old Timer

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    Well, no, the Strike Force forums are not his personal property. They're the property of MGON. However, MGON has given Optimizer the authority and permission to act however he pleases, so yes, it is his right to delete, lock, or move any threads, as well as ban anyone he likes, just like it's the Ku Klux Klan's right to hold public support rallys whenever they please. It may be their right, but that makes their actions no less evil and it doesn't mean that I have to agree with them.

    There's a difference between being dissrespectful and braking the law. After all, according to the Constitution of the United States of America, it's my right to say whatever I please, but if I walk up to everyone I meet and call them an ass-licking motherf*cker, I'm still being dissrespectful, just like I would be if I were to abuse my rights as a moderator by ripping into someone and then closing the thread and/or banning them so that they can't defend themselves.

    -Keiichi
     
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  12. Keiichi

    Keiichi Old Timer

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    The only way that your argument even remotely stands up is if you believe that a change in forum software or server equates with, as you put it, a move into a different house, which I don't believe for one second that it does. Even so, using your example, if my friend were to agree to allow me to stay with him so long as I agree to abide by his rules, and somewhere along the way he decides to move into a new house, I'm still obligated to follow his rules if I wish to continue living with him. The belief that, because it's no longer the same house that I made the agreement in, that I no longer have to abide by his rules, is rediculous. If I refuse, then he has every right to kick me out (the equivalent of a forum ban, in this case). That's going to the extreme, however. A change in forum software and/or server, at most, is the equivalent of a simple redecoration, maybe with the addition of a few extra rooms, which makes your argument seem all the more rediculous. It's still the same damn house, because it's still the same damn forum, being run by the same damn people, being hosted by the same damn site, which means that you're still obligated to follow the same damn rules. If you don't like it, the exit is right over there. Try not to let the door hit you in the ass on the way out.

    If I were to create a forum and, somewhere along the way, I were to decide to change forum software and switch to a faster server, is it no longer my forum? Of course not. Which makes your entire argument moot, because when you registered, you didn't agree to follow the forum software or server's rules. You agreed to follow Planet Unreal's rules. The last time I checked, this was still the Planet Unreal forums. What software or server they choose to use is of no consequence. You've lost. All you're doing now is beating a dead horse, probably because you realize that if you concede this point, then your entire anti-moderator movement comes to a grinding halt and you'll be left without a leg to stand on. So beat on, Mojo. Beat on.

    -Keiichi
     

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