Another hurricane

[Eyuva 'S' NRG]

http://www.weather.com/maps/news/atlstorm29/stormtrack_large.html

You know, when we start getting hurricanes in December, I see a disturbance in the force... That's not to mention all the tornados recently. Tornado season is in the Spring. I personally have been wierded out by three thunderstorms this November, which never happened in my area in NOVEMBER during my entire lifetime.

But this takes the cake... Hurricane Epsilon tracking across the mid Atlantic on December 4th. Yay!

 

[QUALTHWAR]

Records were definitely set this season. Global warming may kill us all yet, but in a subtle way. If the deep ocean circulation stops, there won’t be the proper nutrients distributed; not to mention the lack of weather moderating.

 

[ReD_Fist]

Global warming my ass, all that convoluted crap is so rediculas, me can't stands it anymore.
Whats really laughable is it appears only the usa is warming the globe, but yet I hear nothing about china, just all those people there breathing is enough, but they burn coal, and never hear a word about it.

Plus all this evolution stupid stuff, seeing as how people think we came from apes, there is no way the earth is eveolving on it's own?.
I was thinking today about this when I was shoveling the snow.
You know how they say every snowflake is different, well all the scientists holier than thou mentality, I pose the question, can one prove every snowflak is different LoL.
I emencely like and believe in science but ones got to draw the line between feeble impracticaleness to commen sense.

They can't prove global warming, nor evolution , nor about the snowflakes. lol.

 

[MassChAoS]

Ignorance is bliss.

 

[ReD_Fist]

Ignorance is bliss.

Typical response, I am glad I am not easily brainwashed like the kids are today.
Or these so called "I'm in college, so I know but no one else does, because they taught me to think for myself" lol lol

 

[Cat Fuzz]

Global warming is a debatable theory. Even if it is happening its due to natural forces that we can do nothing about. The idea that humans are causing global warming is absolutly assinine.

 

[oosyxxx]

Global warming my ass, all that convoluted crap is so rediculas, me can't stands it anymore.
Whats really laughable is it appears only the usa is warming the globe, but yet I hear nothing about china, just all those people there breathing is enough, but they burn coal, and never hear a word about it.

Plus all this evolution stupid stuff, seeing as how people think we came from apes, there is no way the earth is eveolving on it's own?.
I was thinking today about this when I was shoveling the snow.
You know how they say every snowflake is different, well all the scientists holier than thou mentality, I pose the question, can one prove every snowflak is different LoL.
I emencely like and believe in science but ones got to draw the line between feeble impracticaleness to commen sense.

They can't prove global warming, nor evolution , nor about the snowflakes. lol.

out of curiosity, what have you ever proven?

 

[Eyuva 'S' NRG]

Global warming is a debatable theory. Even if it is happening its due to natural forces that we can do nothing about. The idea that humans are causing global warming is absolutly assinine.

NASA did an infrared scan of New York City in the winter time, they found a major warming source. No one mentioned it, but millions of home and business furnaces are heating up the globe all around the world. You're wrong this time Cat Fuzz.

Simply put, leave this issue to scientists, and NOT politicians that know nothing.

Global warming is a scientific issue, not a political one. Climactiological data has already PROVEN global warming to be the case period. End of story.

PS. I hate it when stupid ignorant right wingers post, it's so annoying. It's like listening to someone tell obvious lies and pretend it's truth. Go back to you're trailer park where you came from, OK?

 

[Eyuva 'S' NRG]

Plus all this evolution stupid stuff, seeing as how people think we came from apes.

Evolution, who knows. Science HAS proven global warming, that is true. Evolution is a bit trickier.

I dont believe in the existance of a god either, but I dont NOT believe in the existance of a god. I'm not going to pretend to know things that I truly dont. The rest of you people can feel free to make stuff up all you want, but I'm going to insist on living in a reality free of bullcrap.

Just because you think it, doesn't make it so, it needs to be verified as fact first. That's the problem with faith vs. proof. Or as Xerox and Illumination sampled in their best tune... "Science IS god"

Edit : One of the hardest tasks I've taken upon myself as a human being is sorting out what is real and true from what people just make up. Anybody can create gods, faeries, dragons and make a bible out of it, doesn't make it true. It took me 29 years to figure that out. Now I know the absolute and final truth. Lord of The Rings is just as plausable as the Bible as far as I'm concerned. But I prefer to read intelligent authors such as Machiavelli and Robert Green... as well as books on energy development, stuff that has real actual basis in fact.

Just remember this, some opinions are MORE than just an opinion, some opinions are truth.

 

[Eyuva 'S' NRG]

Typical response, I am glad I am not easily brainwashed like the kids are today.
Or these so called "I'm in college, so I know but no one else does, because they taught me to think for myself" lol lol

Of course, college is useful for that. College is a better place for unbiased knowledge than right wing talk radio or Fox News.

I watched Fox News the other day and couldn't believe my ears. I heard things that were blatantly false in the guise of supporting the president.

Even when Katrina hit, Fox News was convieniantly blaming the local governments in Lousiana and ignoring the Federal governments responcibility in aid. It was so obvious it wasn't even funny.

Look, simply put, a disaster of that magnitude is a federal responcibility, that was Fox News's great lie. CNN had it right. I'm sick of right wing bias, and even more sick of just plain outrageous LIES.

In short, both you and Cat Fuzz have been brainwashed by the right wing media. So dont say that other people are brainwashed before taking a good hard look at yourself.

<Eyuva goes off to listen to some Savage Nation, lol>

 

[oosyxxx]

i love the smell of acute truth at night

 

[QUALTHWAR]

The earth is definitely warming up; virtually no scientist disputes this, because you can’t argue with numbers. The dispute comes from whether or not the warming is natural or manmade. But to go back to numbers, ever since the industrial revolution, we have been dumping greenhouse gases into the atmosphere, and ever since we began recording the levels of these gases, they have steadily risen. So whether we are partly or mainly responsible for the warming, the wrong thing to do is continually dump more greenhouse gases into the atmosphere; that’s just common sense.

 

[QUALTHWAR]

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines05/1107-03.htm

WASHINGTON, Nov. 24 (UPI) -- Cores taken from Antarctic ice show that the levels of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere now are the highest they have been in at least 650,000 years. http://www.sciencedaily.com/upi/ind...le=UPI-1-20051124-23510400-bc-us-icecores.xml

According to the National Academy of Sciences, the Earth's surface temperature has risen by about 1 degree Fahrenheit in the past century, with accelerated warming during the past two decades. There is new and stronger evidence that most of the warming over the last 50 years is attributable to human activities. http://yosemite.epa.gov/oar/globalwarming.nsf/content/Climate.html

 

[ReD_Fist]

out of curiosity, what have you ever proven?

oosyxxx

I have prooven that just because people don't believe in God, and or think evolution happend and all snowflakes are different.
IS
I don't need proof, but they do, go ahead collect every snowflake on earth throughout time , examine each one, to disprove that the paople who say, "well I think some snowflakes are the same" is exactly why they are full of __it.

THEY seem to think THEY are ALLWAYS right, wich is impossible.

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Eyuva 'S' NRG

AND, I watch all 3 networks, and it appears CNN is actually getting better, but when fox first came out it was and still is great and NOT because of politacal sides, it's because they say it like it is,"we report you decide"

And I will tell you why, I worked in front of this beuty shop , our store was in the front, well when that show on tv "ripleys believe it or not" was running and I asked the lady in the back hair salon," did you see ripleys last night?"
She said , "oh, thats a terrible show, just terrible, that show it's just awfull."
And I went back to ask my boss," how could someone not like ripleys" he said, "because some people dont want to know the truth and they are affraid of the truth and it's too much for them to handle, so they block it out", and I still can't believe she thought that, till this day.
Well being that fox has the balls to not be politcaly correct, the people who think they are right wing just can't handle a REAL news story,and even further, they debate the story with BOTH sides on the air.!

Well the SAME thing here, when ever people THINK fox news is right wing and they don't want to face the FACTS.
One fact is, fox coordinated busses and other things LIVE ON AIR, while the others were all bashing bush and fema, because thats their idea of news, wich aint news at all.

 

[QUALTHWAR]

This is one of the factors that I consider when discussing greenhouse gases. I saw shows about this observatory in Hawaii many years ago, and nothing has changed. The levels of carbon dioxide are rising just like they were a long time ago.

http://cdiac.esd.ornl.gov/trends/co2/sio-mlo.htm

The graph says it all; the level of greenhouse gases keeps going up.

 

[Mister_Prophet]

Global warming is a debatable theory.

Religion is an even more debatable one

 

[ReD_Fist]

Now comes two new studies offering a brighter take on this state of affairs.

The first comes from the journal Science which notes that new measurements taken in the West Antarctic show the ice sheet is actually thickening, not melting, reversing earlier estimates about its condition. The new measurements, taken from the Ross ice streams using special satellite-based radars, indicate the ice streams in the region have slowed or halted altogether. And this is good news, so say researchers Ian Joughin and Slawek Tulaczyk of the University of California, Santa Cruz, because if the thickening is not merely part of some short-term fluctuation, it represents a major reversal of the long retreat of ice.
This finding comes less than a week after another astonishing revelation published in the prestigious journal Nature, which reports that Antarctica's harsh desert valleys – long considered a bellwether for global climate change – have grown noticeably cooler since 1986. Indeed, air temperature readings taken continuously over the region indicate a significant cooling of over 1 degree Fahrenheit – and this defies a worldwide land-based warming trend spanning the past 100 years.

No doubt these Antarctic findings are continuing to chill concerns about catastrophic man-made global warming.

 

[Cat Fuzz]

The levels of carbon dioxide are rising just like they were a long time ago.

So, stop breathing.

This debate is stupid. 90% of greenhouse gases occur naturally and 90% of those natural gases are just water vapor. The amount we "dump" is negligable and has very little effect overall. I'm not saying we should pollute more and conserve less but all this hysteria is out of control and blaming the US for it is even more rediculous.

We could set off every nuclear device in the world and we couldn't kill this planet. Thinking that humans have such a gigantic impact on everything is just arrogance. Now, stop the silliness please.

 

[ReD_Fist]

But now comes new research by the Institute of Ocean Sciences of Canada that may put the deep-freeze on such concern. According to the soon-to-be-published research, much of the ice claimed to be missing in the Arctic may in fact not be missing at all, but may in fact be shuffled around and hiding elsewhere.

The researchers point out that submarine data between 1960-1990 has indeed shown a 40% reduction in ice shield draught (that is, the distance between the surface of the ocean and bottom of the ice pack) in certain parts of the Arctic. But the problem with the data, according to the researchers, is that they only cover small portions of the polar region and, when one takes into account the multi-decadal wind patterns known to exist at the North Pole, it seems likely that the ice simply has shifted from one region to another.

"It's a circumstance where the ice tends to leave the central Arctic and then mostly pile up against the Canadian side, before moving back into the central Arctic again," commented one of the world's leading experts on Arctic ice Dr. Greg Holloway. His suspicions were confirmed when he lined up the submarine visits and found they perfectly match the timing of the wind cycles. In short, he concluded, there is no ice melting, just ice shifting.

On a side note, recent submarine visits to the North Pole have also revealed there is not much ice melt, and indeed sonar data throughout the 1990's suggests there may even be an increase of Arctic ice. Interesting news, indeed.

 

[ReD_Fist]

From the beginning of its debate, the issue of global warming has included discussion about the possibility of melting ice-caps. Lately, though, old studies are being re-examined, and now it seems as though it is the science, not the frozen H20, that can?t take the heat.

For instance, in one study published in Science Magazine in December of 1999, it was reported that the Arctic Polar icecap may have decreased by as much as 14% over a 20 year period. However, upon re-evaluation, it was later published that virtually all of that decrease occurred during a sharp drop over a lone period of 1-3 years. In fact, more recent estimates have the northern ice-caps at least holding steady, and possibly growing a bit.

Another factor cited as an indicator that global warming is occurring is the reduction in size of the world?s coral reefs. The United Nations Environmental Program has reported that 58% of the world?s coral is in danger from human activities such as global warming. But scientific attempts to link climate change to global coral decline have been far from conclusive. A study by Linsley, Wellington and Schrag were able to establish through coral samples near the island of Rarotonga a climate record for the South Pacific dating back 271 years. Their report, published in Science, showed South Pacific temperatures 250 years ago that were 2 degrees Celsius higher than those measured today.

Such markedly higher water temperatures prior to the onset of the industrial age, and the fact that coral communities survived, strongly undercuts the notion that human induced global warming is a real cause of concern for coral reefs. Further, A 1995 study of reefs in the Western Atlantic and the Caribbean Sea showed that nearly 14% of all reefs in the area were damaged, with damage to individual reefs reaching levels as high as 42%. However, a subsequent study in 1996 published in Revista Biologia de Tropical discovered that the coral had almost fully recovered within a single year ? this after temps were supposedly on the climb!

In short, as science becomes more advanced it seems that the one thing is clear: While ice caps may be growing, and coral reefs are remaining resilient, the one thing that is dwindling for sure is the case for catastrophic man-made global warming.

http://www.cfact.org/site/view_article.asp?idCategory=4&idarticle=247


And to read about this org read through this, http://www.cfact.org/site/view_article.asp?idCategory=21&idarticle=855

Now put that in your pipe and smoke it, oops wait aaaaaaaaghghgh don't light that match LoL