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Amok run in german school !

Discussion in 'Off Topic' started by Exus Tecius, Mar 11, 2009.

  1. Zur

    Zur surrealistic mad cow

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    This sort of behaviour predates the internet. All I see on that image is the modern day equivalent of romans cheering an execution in the arena. Nothing new under the sun.

    I have this personal theory that society needs to exert control on the people that compose it in order to be stable. This same control creates pressure points as members of society evolve and follow their individual paths. Some people will have things easy while other may not.

    Take things to an extreme and you have a series of individuals on the fringes that are literally squashed by society's conventions because they were born with some ineptitude or evolved along a completely different path to the norm due to certain circumstances.

    When those people become uncapable of thinking straight or figure they won't be able to achieve anything worthy, that's when you get this lashing out at others in a show of aggression and desparation. Thinking along these lines, it's as if they're actually having a go at society itself.
     
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  2. WaitForTheRain

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    That theory makes a strong point, especially seeing as I think I recall it being said somewhere on the news that the 17 year old being told that he wasn't going anywhere in life or something along those lines, but that is still no excuse for doing something like this. I expect that many people have found themselves in a situation like this or similar, but they do not do on killing sprees. It's most likely to blame on the fact that the kind of "internet subculture" that this kid was caught up in idolises this kind of behaviour and also the fact that the opportunity to obtain weapons was extremely easy for him, seeing as his family supposedly owned over 40 registered weapons.
     
  3. Zarkazm

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    You should try it sometime then.
     
  4. Zur

    Zur surrealistic mad cow

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    That's called negative programming in psychology. Say a phrase like that to someone often enough and they will start by doubting themselves and then go on to believe what's being said. Some parents do it as a way to push their kids forward but what they don't realize is that too much of it will seep into the unconscious part of the mind which quite happily makes it into some form of simple rule. When kids do this, as cruel as the little ****ers can be, it can really get out of hand. Also, undoing that rule once it's formed is as hard as kicking an addiction.

    In fact, this is spot on some research I'm doing. What I'm trying to achieve is to build assertivity and a solid mental barrier to bounce negative suggestions for the the next time I go job hunting. Negative programming seems to a tool used by the "elite" when they are seeking submission and it's important that I don't show myself as being weak. What the middle ground is before I come accross as pretentious, I don't know.

    The Internet has this big problem that it has no moral barriers. Kids and adults act like jerks because they're both anonymous and unaccountable for actions. In general, people who have developped an alter-ego do and say stuff that they sometimes wouldn't dare to do in real-world society. So, yep, the Internet is probably to blame although not to the degree you seem to be implying. At least not to the point where the Internet ends up under govermental control.
     
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  5. Grobut

    Grobut Комиссар Гробут

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    There have actually been plenty of comprihensive studies made on spree killers and what makes them tick, and why they choose to go on a spree instead of doing something else (like suicide, or even seeking help), needless to say, there's a lot more at work here than peer preasure or thinking that its "kewl", it is not a cultural thing at all, it takes a badly damaged individual to do something like this..

    We know why it happens, we just dont use that information, we do bugger all to prevent thease things.

    The vast majority of thease cases could probably be prevented, there are allways warning signs when a person is going off the deep end, and if teachers where trained to know what thouse warning signs are and spot them, thease kids could recive help early on instead of getting worse, and finally snapping.
     
  6. Kantham

    Kantham Fool.

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    The question is how to best prepare for School Shootings. Shooting classes? Free ammo, like they do with condoms? School uniforms with target motif?

    I favour free hand grenades.
     
  8. Darkdrium

    Darkdrium 20% Cooler

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    Video games can't be used as weapons. Unless you throw them really hard at someone.

    One more "an hero" article on Dramatica I guess... >.<

    I'm with Kantham, do something to yourself but don't go for the others. Unfortunately these people are too crazy to understand that. :/
     
  9. xMurphyx

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    As the majority of his victims were female there is speculation that he was love struck and that's what made him do it in the end.

    As a respected polititian at the pulse of our society I have to propose a ban on women and girls!
    I know what you're thinking: Oh, but women aren't directly responsible because we had women long before school shootings, indeed longer than schools! But isn't it true that if there were no women there would be no woman-related crimes? Be it crimes committed out of jealousy, broken heart disease, etc. pp. We have numerous studies that clearly prove that these are the reasons for a vast majority of crimes.
    Of course it can be argued that responsible men should be allowed access to women but there is no secure way of ensuring that only the worthy get them as this source demonstrates.
    One school shooting is one school shooting too much!
     
  10. Trynant

    Trynant Manic Brawler

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    Me, this makes me sad.

    So, fifteen people die because a kid goes on a shooting spree, half of you sound like you don't even give two ****s whichever way.

    :(
     
  11. Larkin

    Larkin Gone

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    Sigh..sure more responsibility for school teachers. Giving them responsibility of noticing mental problems in the past went so well afterall. :rolleyes:
     
  12. Jacks:Revenge

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    he didn't say we should dual-train them as child psychologists.
    but there's a simple knowledge that most K-12 teachers should probably know, such as how to ask the right questions when some kid is making violent art or turning in disturbing works of fiction.

    there's creativity and then there's reaching out for help. and of course it's not a perfect science, it won't be fool-proof. but cases such as Columbine here in the states have shown in hindsight that those individuals who should have recognized the red flags merely ignored them in passing responsibility.
    that goes for parents and guardians first, then teachers or other personal adult influences.

    it's not a perfect world but there will always be situations that could have been avoided had there been more keen supervision present in some of these kids lives.
     
  13. Larkin

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    Yes, its all fine and good to say oh we must recognize their problem earlier, but a teacher is no person to give that job too. Most of them, sorry to say, are retarded and the system is way to worried about their image to do the job on any sort of reasonable level. They would go way over the line and see every kid that got in a fight, drew a crud picture, wore weird makeup, or anything else out of the ordinary as signs of a crazy person. Just like how they saw every kid that failed in classes as retarded. Sure, on that one there was money on the line for good grades and the kids with bad grades went against that so the idea was put them all away somewhere so they didn't count against the school, but you damn well know they would put some jackass funding backing on this idea and the same bull**** would happen again.

    Sorry, I do not support this idea.
     
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  14. Zur

    Zur surrealistic mad cow

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    No need to drag the teachers into this. Every school should have at least one social workers to which kids can talk too. Also, it's a parents job too to regularly communicate with the school to see if everything is ok or not.
     
  15. DarkED

    DarkED The Great Oppression

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    There ARE no innocents. If you're on this planet and you're alive, you're guilty of SOMETHING. Your birth certificate is proof of guilt.
     
  16. Grobut

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    I agree that teachers aren't the ideal people for this job, hell knows i had more than a few incompetent ones when i went to school, but who then, if not the teachers that see them 5 days a week, should be doing it? who else has the oppertunity? the parents? you can't count on the parents, either they wont see it because they dont want to (little timmy is a good boy! yes he is! even if he did kill the neighbours dog.. but he's a good boy!), or they might infact be the very reason something is very wrong, they could be abusive or worse, besides, it's not like we could give every parent training in this sort of thing.

    As things are, it is only the teachers that have the oppertunity to see thease things unfold from an impartial angle, who else is there really? even if the school does have a school shrink, the kids wont be sent there for consultation unless someone understands there is a reason to send them there (again, it is the teachers that must react).

    I don't like it either, and i too see the potential for mocking things up, but someone has to do it if we want prevention, and currently, only the teachers have the nessesary contact with the children, there really is nobody else (who can be relied on) that see them often or long enough to make an assesment of their behaviour.
     
  17. Rambowjo

    Rambowjo Das Protoss

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    DarkED is not innocent.
     
  18. Twisted Metal

    Twisted Metal Anfractuous Aluminum

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    News just said that the shooter may have warned people in an internet "chat room" prior to the shooting. Is that thread real Rambowjo?
     
  19. Balton

    Balton The Beast of Worship

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    Bleh, the usual scapegoats are already on the newsmedia and I have to laugh when they talk about 18+ games needing to be banned because a 17 year old got ahold of them. Maybe the system doesn't work when you have irresponsible parents?

    Then I only shudder when I hear that this is another son of a gun club person that's using daddys not-like-the-law-in-germany-demands-locked away guns to shoot innocents. Do I need to reiterate my point about irresponsible parents?
     
  20. Northrawn

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    Here is what (by the meaning) the infamous Minister of the Interior Shaeuble said in one and the same interview:

    -We need harsher laws to ban Egoshooters.

    -We don't need harsher laws for weapons and firearms, because harsh laws can be bypassed.
     

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