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[SpiritWalker]

posted by Claw in a private message

I admitted to being wrong the one time you were right... you never even considered the possibility of being wrong... and I at least argue; you're the one who claims that your truth is so obvious that youu have to laugh about me believing otherwise.

no claw.. I laugh at the fact that you don't seem to read YOUR history as well as you do mine

You also started getting personal, no matter what you claim.

I found most of your anti amercian comments personal.. after all..

The person you decribe is yourself of course, and that you can't realize it just makes it the more amusing. Or maybe not.

Sincerely, "Yewslayer" SSBoy from NAZIland

Just to make things clear...

I have never called Claw, Balton.. or anyone else a Nazi.. I have compared Claw to a nazi.. and that is only in response to some anti/trashing US comments that he made..
I know plenty of people from German desecnt they aren't nazis.. I can look at history books and see that the Nazi-era Germany wasn't all bad... I have no problems with people from any country.. hell, I hate so much of what my contry has done.. I am not one to throw stones.. for I to live in a glass house.. BUT..

My issue is that some people make comments about my country and forget that they live in glass houses.. and IMO the foundations are a hellofa lot worse than mine.. Before someone says that the US produces sh!t.. take a wiff of your own air.. see where your aid comes from.. all I am asking people to do is THINK..
and when I said that Claw was stupid.. what I should have said was that he was actingstupid.. and I prolly should have added the IMO.. but I was pissed so I didn't..
Anyone that has read a "real" post of Claw's.. knows that he isn't stupid.. or at least has a good thesaurus.. sorry that there are so many weak-minded peoples here that can't think for themselves, and see past my "heated" words..
Is Claw a Nazi?? I seriously doubt it.. was Nazi Germany the absolute worst case of evil that the modern world has ever seen?
I'll let you the readers decide..my problem with Claw is stated above.. but to sum up.. I don't belive that he has a right to talk about the "bad" things that have happened in my country, at least not with the UNdeserved chip that he seems to have on his shoulder when he makes "trashing the US posts"

does Claw have an anti amercia streak.. I think yes.. it's ok to be that way.. in the US it's fine to not like your government..you express your opinions and if enough people think the same.. things change.. and I know that Germany is a wonderful place.. lotsa (what do you call it??) culture, history, the damn buildings there are just plain beautiful..so is the country...
But..
the differences in the people are vast .. there is a rather large amount of "I'm better than you" attitude..even to their kinsmen.. does that go on here.. sure does.. but not to the degree that I have witnessed..

So to sum up again..

I don't think that Claw is a Nazi.. I REALLY don't think that Balton is.. I even think that Balton is one of the more intelligent people here..(yes I know that intelligence dosen't mean that he ISN'T a Nazi.. but I feel that I have inadvertantly insulted him.. so I just want to give him a quick @ss kiss), But Claw makes some comments that..I belive are spiteful.. ignorant.. and condesending, when IMO.. his history is SO much worse than mine..

 

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[Hourences]

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[fragswill]

Why should I read that?
All of this is GARHK

 

[SpiritWalker]

so don't.. I was just trying to clear the air..

 

[Cactus]

reading posts on this BBS makes me fart...

 

[GoldenMouse]

ah, the intelligent aftermath of an earthshaking event

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[Claw]

no claw.. I laugh at the fact that you don't seem to read YOUR history as well as you do mine
Since we weren't talking about history, it is irrelevant. You admitted it was flaming, too.
And I had indeed the imprssion you ignored your history, considering the way some of your posts went.
I'll certanly need an explanation why I should have no right to speak up against capitalism because of the Nazis.


I found most of your anti amercian comments personal.. after all...
No man, I was talking about the socio-economic ideology of capitalism which I strongy object to, not the USA. I's my progrative to have the views I expressed, and if that is the same as being anti-american to you, than that's the problem of your lack of mental freedom.


Just to make things clear...

I have never called Claw, Balton.. or anyone else a Nazi.. I have compared Claw to a nazi.. and that is only in response to some anti/trashing US comments that he made..
(...)

So to sum up again..

I don't think that Claw is a Nazi.. I REALLY don't think that Balton is.. I even think that Balton is one of the more intelligent people here..(yes I know that intelligence dosen't mean that he ISN'T a Nazi.. but I feel that I have inadvertantly insulted him.. so I just want to give him a quick @ss kiss), But Claw makes some comments that..I belive are spiteful.. ignorant.. and condesending, when IMO.. his history is SO much worse than mine..
You called me SSBoy man... but I know you don't think I am a Nazi... this is actually worse... you just wanted to insult me (repeatedly), in a very inappropriate manner.
If you honestly believed I was a Nazi, I would be outraged, but I could understand. Instead, you are just doing what accuse me of: flaming and spewing insults.

I, too , tend to get heated in a discussion, especially if my disputant refuses to argue but instead expresses the pointlessness of arguing with me as I am incapable to understand the obvious truth of his words, and how ridiculous my ideas are, mixed with a few very lowly insults.

I am especially irritated because I don't expect to convince my opponents. But I want to hear why they believe what they believe so I can try to understand them. You don't give me a chance though.


But I can restrain myself and delete the cr*p I wrote from my posts before I send the post.
And I really hope you're not about to tell me you deleted the worst from your posts, considering what absolute ******* you did post.


Oh, and since you claim to be a Sioux (how should I know?)

a reminder on lost wisdom

Given up the past completly, have ya?

 

[SpiritWalker]

the reason that I flame you is because when you speak of the socio-economic ideology of capitalism "amercian way of life" you don't seem to remember that YOUR way of life to to long ago was total garbage.. insulting to just about everyman woman and child in the world that could have a concious thought..it's not that you should speak up with your thoughts.. it's that you post things like "Amercia produces sh!t".. you want me to carry on an "argument" with you when you talk like that? I think not.. and calling you SSboy was wrong.. but still funny (IMO)..

my progrative to have the views I expressed, and if that is the same as being anti-american to you, than that's the problem of your lack of mental freedom.
Well what would you call your comments about the amercian rich.. and the fact that you seem to belive that we produce "sh!t"
My mental freedom is what allows me to get past all of the things that plauge my mind about things that I read happening in the world.. in my "backyard".. I have to belive that people are better than what the news says.. yet you sit at your computer and tell me that we produce **** and that are school system sucks and how less charitable we are than you..and all this other crap.. so you think that.. Well I think that YOU live in a glass house and are throwing stones.. your edcuation system my seem to be good on the surface.. but what of the individual freedoms of the students.. what about encourging individual thinkg.. "going against the flow" as it were..
and as to our social structure.. what you don't have the "haves and the have nots" in germany.. I would disagee..
what ALL of Amercia is about is self expression to a degree everyone in this counrty has the ability to be the best that they can be..President?Criminal/Millioniare/Pauper.. it is all up to them..
That causes some of us some big problems.. basically because a lot of trash type of peoples think that they are brought into this world being owed something.. when the truth is in fact the opposite.. we armercians owe something to our country/g'ment.. and what we owe is the respect to the ideals that make our country great. Does our G'ment screw up sometimes.. you bet..but we still owe the respect for the ones that serve.. most of the time they deserve it ..
So if you are wondering what makes this country so great and why our system great as well..read our consitution, some people live by it.. and some abuse it.. wheather they know it or not.. but those are not the ones to look towards when you think about Amercia

No I haven't given up the past..the things that I remember is Wa****a and Sand Creek in the year of 1868 and 1864..
those are the things that make me remember "The winner right the history".. even though the facts of those two events are well documented and not even contested..
we all have some shame invloved with our past..
but you have to know how to apply what you know with the way things are..

 

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[Hourences]

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[Claw]

Originally posted by The Spiritwalker
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Don't want all that cluttering the screen... you're mixing stuff up as usualy... I already told ya the "you produce ****" was wildy exaggerated AND out of context... had nothing at all to do with the blablahblah-discussion

and the charity thing. matter of principle again:

germans: if you're rich, ya should be charitable or else you're an a$$hole...

americans: if you are rich and decide to donate no more than yer loose change... it's not much but every li'll bit is appreciated...

that was about it.
For you, giving something away isn't standard so every li'll bit is something you caan be proud of, but from our point of view you can be expected to give something. Don't be overly proud because you donated yer loose change...

Don't like it? Don't have to either... hey, be happy your approach is gaining in popularity. Who cares about me likes? Noone, right.
I explained why charity is an obligation more than a luxury. Just like honour. Can't go around it's OK to be an honourless bastard unless you like to. Or can I?

You never started an argument, so how could you have carriedit on if you had wanted to?
And stop pretending to speak for every man woman and child in the world that could have a concious thought... those are neither you nor american nor share your ideology foo'
Something you knew if you wouldn't have that world view centered about your nation.

Last word on freedom: the only flow to go against atm is the near religious belief in capitalism. In Germany, you can go against it. In America you better hush or get spat at, if you are any guide.

Ah, and I don't owe the gov't nothing, I pay them. They are supposed to serve, not sell their power to companies. If they fail to serve the people (the mass, not a few rich bastards), they have no legitimation. Which is practically reality, ppl just need time to realize they are being cheated, and their money being spent on the shackels that bind them to a system they aren't really content with.

Bah, enough already. I know your side, you mine, we both won't change our minds.

 

[SpiritWalker]

you ARE an idiot.. if I don't like the way the government is spending my tax money .. I do my best to vote them out of office..
there may shackels.. but at least I know about the ones that I wear..

 

[BangOut]

Both of you hush.