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Abstinence pledges not working?

Discussion in 'Off Topic' started by OICW, Apr 4, 2005.

  1. OICW

    OICW Reason & Logic > Religion

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    Not a bad column, even if it was written just for April Fool's Day ;)

    http://www.salon.com/opinion/feature/2005/04/01/abstinence/print.html


     
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  2. W0RF

    W0RF BuF Greeter, News Bagger

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    It seems a lot of publications are taking the bitter pill this year before sitting down to right their April 1 articles.
     
  3. Nightmare

    Nightmare Only human

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    That's not really a joke, it's reality. And that's how they do it in many other places where society expects you to be a virgin until marriage. I recently saw a documentary from Iran with exactly the same slant. For the right amount of money certain surgeons would even correct any damage to your hymen.

    Humans are meant to have sex and won't be denied it because of silly rules. :mwink:
     
  4. OICW

    OICW Reason & Logic > Religion

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    I was aware of such abstinence practices in the US and overseas, just the date of publication made me wary, since I haven't checked out the stats yet.
     
  5. Harrm

    Harrm I am watching porns.

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    I'm pretty sure abstinence increases the rate at which you have sex when you break that pledge. Also, I read in a psychology magazine that people who are taught abstinence are more likely to not use protection and the rate of STD contraction is almost double than that of a normal person.

    --Harrm
     
  6. Cap'n Beeb

    Cap'n Beeb Banned

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    I'd be sure of that as well Harm. Any emotion or craving bottled up for years on end is bound to overflow it's container. That's why humans have orgies and murder sprees. ;)
     
  7. TheShiningWizard

    TheShiningWizard Because it's more fantastical.

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    Sex is rather fun.
     
  8. Harrm

    Harrm I am watching porns.

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    Wow. I'm pretty sure you hit the entire "1960's continuum" there.

    --Harrm
     
  9. chuckus

    chuckus Can't stop the bum rush.

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    If bottled up sexual frustration is the topic, I present exhibit 'A': Japanese Business men.


    I rest my case.
     
  10. Harrm

    Harrm I am watching porns.

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    SOMEBODY loves Freud.

    --Harrm
     
  11. erehwoN

    erehwoN The Bass Ackwards BTL

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    Something even funnier, but is being completely serious.
     
  12. Taque

    Taque Custom User Title

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    "It is sometimes helpful to have a physical object to use in overcoming this problem. A Book of Mormon, firmly held in hand, even in bed at night has proven helpful in extreme cases."

    Paper cuts. :eek:
     
  13. Philophobos

    Philophobos New Member

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    I would like to point out that I never had sex of any sort until my wedding night, at age 23. :)

    I'm not bragging or, depending on your point of view, being self-deprecating. It's just part of how I was raised to think about sex. My entire life, I've viewed it as that thing that you want but is better to resist until marriage.

    Here's why the current trend of abstinence pledges and the like aren't working: they are over-emphasizing the thing they don't want their children to think about. When I was a really good baptist during my teenage years and never missed an opportunity to be in church, it seemed to me that the topic of sex was too often preached about. As I understand from listening to my younger brother who is a teen in church himself these days, it's only gotten worse. Nary a youth weekend or camping retreat goes by without the pastors bitching about sex. Sex, sex, sex, sex, sex sex sexsexsexsex: it's all they ever talk about.

    You'd think that with all that talking some useful knowledge about sex might creep through. You'd be wrong. All it is is "don't have sex," without any real reason given as to why. Oh sure, they always have some "statistics" at hand about how teenagers who have sex are super extra unhappy. And there's always a heaping helping of guilt: I remember seeing a skit about a girl who slept around and how disappointed she and her husband were on the wedding night because of her past misdeeds. It used a rose as a symbol of purity which had its petals torn off by each guy she slept with before her husband. Then, on the wedding night, all she had to give her husband was a bruised and broken stem. *sniff* Sure sure, when you're an impressionable 14 year-old you might see that and think, "Whoa, I'd better not have sex until I'm married." But then when you get older and start thinking for yourself, you're likely to look back on the skit and think, "Whoa, that was all just manipulative bullshit. I hate these people. Where's some pussy?"

    So, they are engendering a general dislike for themselves and their teachings by being manipulative bastards in keeping their children in the dark about sex. Thus the children begin to distrust their spiritual leaders and what they have to say about sex and at the same time know nothing about sex. If you're really into imparting to your children that sex is an important thing to be saved for a certain time, this isn't a good situation in which to be.

    This is the main thing that I am coming to hate about my religion; it's becoming harder and harder to come by anyone who is more concerned with anybody or anything than they are about using guilt and pseudo-reason to trick people into believing the way they do.

    One thing that does confuse me is the idea that oral sex and anal sex aren't really sex, in the "OMG I'VE DEFILED MYSELF!1!" sense. They certainly weren't teaching that in the churches I attended. All forms of premarital sex seemed to be equally looked down upon.
     
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  14. Arethusa

    Arethusa We will not walk in fear.

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    I pretty much agree with all of that. When I was a rather devout Catholic, and even before that, when I was a Protestant (of the non demoniational, congregational, semisortakindaprogressive kind), and we weren't busy really hating gays and really hating abortion, we were busy really hating premarital sex. All guilt and manipulation all the time, and nothing but fostering ignorance and misunderstanding as far as you could see. The one thing feared there more than anything else is a person who can think critically and independantly.

    My reaction was ultimately a bit more extreme, and I got sick of church and Christianity altogether.
     
  15. Keganator

    Keganator White as Snow Moderator

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    One of my best friends dated a mormon in high school. He eventually converted and married her...but back at the beginning, before his mind was warped beyond repair, he brought to school a pamphlet his girlfriend gave him. In fact, she had given him enough to give to all of us, with that exact text on that webpage on it. That was an...um...akward moment. Sigh...
     
  16. TheShiningWizard

    TheShiningWizard Because it's more fantastical.

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    I love the Mormons :)
     
  17. OpFor

    OpFor Feeling suicide, thats O.K.

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    One of my sexually suppresed peers decided to try and rape my best friend. Of course his Mormon side took over and saved the day before he got her pants off. God bless mormon perverts.
     
  18. Harrm

    Harrm I am watching porns.

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    WELL, AREN'T WE ALL WINNERS HERE.

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    God Bless Google.

    --Harrm
     
  19. das_ben

    das_ben Concerned.

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    The nature of this threads demands me to ask in what way you 'love' Mormons exactly.
     
  20. TheShiningWizard

    TheShiningWizard Because it's more fantastical.

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    One of my best friends is a Mormon, and he is rather spiffy.


    Hmm... I should date a Mormon chick sometime, just to see what happens.
     

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