about the UZI as a roomclearing device

[DamienW]

I don't like it as a uzi-nade, but if this can happen, it should then occur when you drop your weapon while falling, causing you to be VERY cautious while using a UZI, and preventing (for example) people running without looking where they walk (anti run&gun)

 

[Galthor]

hmpf.........

i´m feeling misunderstood.............
1. that uzi-nade thing is seriously told german soldiers during CQB-training (tape the uzi´s safety and throw)
2. i personally know someone who has nearly been killed by a dropped uzi (it fell only 1m deep before hitting the ground and emptying the whole mag)
3. though i think the uzi is not made for that purpose, its lack of design is taken as a feature by at least one army. that means it could find its way into infiltration (at least it is not unrealistic or unprofessional)
4. just because it has been seen in true lies it doesn´t mean it is complete bull****.

 

[Tiffy]

Galthor,

Someone is pulling your chain. If the UZI was that unsafe nobody would buy one. The last thing you want in an army is a gun that goes of, discharging a full 30rd clip when dropped of a bench. Anyway I've never seen it in any manuals I've looked at on FIBUA and CQB an that was a bit of a specialliaty of mine, as well as the British Armies.

Isn't it an Ingrams in True Lies? Not seen the flim in a while but I seem to remember it being a bit boxy with the cocking lever on the top. UZIs cock from the side.

 

[Battosai]

Ya and in True lies it also fell perfectly down a flight of stairs too.

1. that uzi-nade thing is seriously told german soldiers during CQB-training (tape the uzi´s safety and throw)

Sorry I can't resist..
Stan from SP

Click off dude. Click it off! What the fuck is wrong with german people?!!

 

[Rostam]

i guess it is possible, but it would probably **** up the game and its very stupid also

 

[FiringAimlessly]

Now that I try to recollect the transient, amorphous bits of misaligned neurology that serve as my "memory" I'm pretty sure it wasn't an Uzi in that movie.

And being the least knowledgeable regular on this board I probably should just shut up anyways.

But I STILL DON'T LIKE THE IDEA IN INF.

 

[Puncher]

If you hit the butt of an Uzi hard enough, you will jam the bolt past the sear. Only a single round should fire though. The Uzi is considered a relatively unsafe weapon by the German Army, which is why only NCOs and officers usually get them loaded with live ammo.
BTW the Uzi cocks on the top, at least all the Uzis I've seen and held.

 

[Snakeye]

I also heard the Uzi is considered unsafe. I read once about a German Border Guard(BGS - Bundesgrenzschutz) who drove along dirt road and had a loaded and cocked Uzi bewteen his legs, so it wouldn't fall around in the car. He hit a bump too hard and got a bullet through his head..

Sad story..

Snakeye

 

[Tiffy]

I stand corrected Puncher, its a long time since I played with an UZI and my impression was it cocked from the side.

Any army has its 'unsafe' weapons. The British Army had its L2 series Serling SMG. If you abused that it would go off too (trouble with open bolt systems), and it had a lovely quirk when getting a bit worn, on the Semi-Automatic setting it would fire TWO rounds, or three if you where really lucky. At that point it needed repairing as the next stage was the whole mag in one go. Makes life on the ranges interesting.

Didn't stop the 'spud-gun' being issued to every REMF in the army. Probably the last person who should have had the blasted thing.

One thing more dangerous than a Cook with a Gun, a Cook with an L2A1 SMG (excepting food prep that is ).

 

[Puncher]

Think I read somewhere that a special version of the Uzi was tested by Israel SpecForces which cocked from the side.

Do you mean the Sterling SMG? I read that it was a pretty good gun...

 

[Galthor]

what is wrong with white lizard?????????? (do you have a problem with germans? or only small balls?)

BTW i always wanted my idea as a backup option not for excessive use. and i just would like to see it in INF cause it is possible and it is done by military.

 

[Gholam]

God, this thread just refuses to die... I'll repeat:

1) Uzi has a static firing pin, and the bolt is held back in cocked position by a sear. When sear releases bolt, spring pushes it forward, round gets fed, and as it enters chamber, static firing pin strikes the primer, igniting it - boom. However, a strong jolt can disengage bolt from sear and cause an AD - accidental discharge. This applies to any and all weapons that operate from open bolt - most SMGs, MAG, etc. Interesting side effect is that it prevents cookoff - a round only enters chamber when you are firing. M16 operates from closed bolt, so an AD of this fashion cannot happen to it, although it can empty a whole magazine from cookoff as LoTekK described - round enters chamber, detonates from heat, bolt is driven back, feeds another round, repeat until magazine empties.

2) You want a grenade, use a grenade. Uzi, as I would like to point out, is a submachinegun.

 

[Battosai]

Galthor you n00b. Why don't you find out a few thing first, before you open your mouth and remove all dout that your an idiot. So let me show you the light. I am german dumbfuck. An it's stupid to believe that a soldier would throw away a weapon.

 

[striderteen]

Any n00b idiot who throws down his weapon deserves what he gets...a frag count of 0 and a death count of infinity.

 

[Galthor]

ok white lizard, i think i did some research on this (read my posts!!) and i dont believe this is absolute bull****. and though some people said it might not work, nobody did test it. the uzi is famous for being unsafe, so why shouldnt it go off with depressed safety button (might not work with a brand new one though)?
BTW: when the uzi-nade did its job it wasnt stupid to chuck it into an infested room.

 

[Galthor]

another thing: no sane german would have a us flag asociated with his name. only americans would do that (and thats still stupid enough).

 

[asmodeus]

Originally posted by Galthor
BTW: when the uzi-nade did its job it wasnt stupid to chuck it into an infested room.

yeah, but why don't use use a real nade then if you're so ****ing brilliant?

 

[Battosai]

Originally posted by Galthor
another thing: no sane german would have a us flag asociated with his name. only americans would do that (and thats still stupid enough).

You are an idiot. You would say im not a true greman because i don't have blue eyes either.

 

[Gholam]

Originally posted by Galthor
ok white lizard, i think i did some research on this (read my posts!!) and i dont believe this is absolute bull****. and though some people said it might not work, nobody did test it. the uzi is famous for being unsafe, so why shouldnt it go off with depressed safety button (might not work with a brand new one though)?
BTW: when the uzi-nade did its job it wasnt stupid to chuck it into an infested room.

Galthor, must I explain it yet again? The jolt of an Uzi, or any other open bolt weapon falling is only enough to discharge *one* round, and then not always. Bolt slips off the sear, fires a round, and gets driven back by recoil - and now sear holds it back again, and to discharge another round "accidently" you need to drop it again. The only "safety" that you can tape down to make it go full-auto is the trigger.

 

[Tiffy]

Gholam your wasting your time, he isn't listening to whats being said. He's read it somewhere and no matter who tells him, be he serving IDF Trooper or and Ex-British Army Armourer, he's not going to stop believing it.

And yes Puncher I did mean the Sterling SMG, an OK SMG but just as prone as all open-bolt guns to NDs. Has some unique faults when worn too. Its biggest advantage was it only has 4 moving parts and there all big, so its hard to loose anything ;c)