#7 however I must agree - the States have probably the most diverse society.
That's a matter of numbers, because I'm quite sure I've never heard of a Danish lynching.
#7 however I must agree - the States have probably the most diverse society.
Anyone who thinks that what's been going on from 2000 to 2008 is fine is a hypocritical, lying, bag of human waste who needs to disposed of with extreme prejudice. People who can't see how screwed up things have been must be sociopaths of Charles Manson proportions and deserve nothing more than rotting away in a cell somewhere,
no food (hey they're not paying for it)
no water (hey they didn't build the pipes)
and no sun (they didn't build their own personal sun. why should they feel warmth?)
DON'T PANIC! YOUR NEXT PRESIDENT WILL BE A REPUBLICAN!
DON'T PANIC! YOUR NEXT PRESIDENT WILL BE A REPUBLICAN!
Yes you are
I am not comparing Republicans to Hitler cats.
Here is the thing about American Exceptionalism--it is, by nature, delusional.
I'm going to nitpick. #6 is out. We elect ALL of our leaders. Denmark has a monarch as its head of state. Hey, you guys are nitpicking my points, so this is all fair and square.Denmark: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7.
Is Denmark home to literally every type and branch of religion known to man or does it just have a lot of mosques?Also, Copenhagen (our capitol) sports the same amount of Mosque's for less than Half the metropolitan population. So effectively, we're ahead of you on 2.
Ah, the old "one crooked tree makes the forest worthless" syndrome.Oh yeah, and technically, thanks to the Patriot Act, America does not in the strictest of sense have 1 and 2. Oh yeah, and 3, because all your elects seem to need a wealthy background to get anywhere.
How do I know I would be interested in this person's perspective? How do I know it isn't tainted? How do I know the book is unbiased?
There are exceptions to every rule. Please find me one single country in which this does not occur.Not a week goes by that we don't hear about a celebrity who buys his way out of jail time with legal gymnastics.
Again with the exceptions to rules. Our prisons, by and large, treat its populations more humanely than some countries treat their citizens. Rwanda much?Not a week goes by that we don't hear about a celebrity who buys his way out of jail time with legal gymnastics. If you think solitary confinement (see maximum security prisons) is humane I suggest you hit up google for the definition of humane.
True, but did these countries guarantee all of these personal freedoms concurrently? No, they did not.These exist in other countries, in fact they existed well before America was known to Europe.
Really, even the guy running for city council? I had no idea....and millions of dollars to run for office.
The freedom still exists, regardless of whether economic conditions stifle opportunity, all Americans have that freedom to take opportunities when they arise or they make those opportunities happen. Blaming "the man" for lack of opportunities is a copout.Exists in other countries, but again economic class warfare tends to limit the choices of the majority of Americans.
And in many countries, children do not have opportunities for basic education unless they come from aristocratic families. Here in the states, people want to blame the government for what they call a crappy education system, when in fact, most of the parents for the failing kids simply do not get involved in their childrens' education. It isn't only the system's fault we test lower than other countries.No but they are subjected to a substandard one
Yeah, I see corporate logos on our SC justices' robes alright.I guess some "people" (corporations) are more important than others with the amount of money they pump into the system
Not, actually not. You missed the mark...by a mile.
Shot at brown people? Hardly. When the Mexican president came to speak before our Congress, he had the nerve to call our laws inhumane towards his countrymen; you know, those same countrymen who are dying to get the **** out of his pissoir infested country.Size doesn't matter in regards to this argument it's a false qualifier. There are plenty of countries around the world that provide their citizenry equal if not better rights and protections. Also nice shot at brown people(TM) I really suggest you read that book I linked you if you want a real lesson about American sovereignty and respect.
Speaking of brainwashed, I keep seeing some of you post that Americans who think our country is exceptional have been brainwashed to think so miss the point. As I stated earlier, pride in ownership is vital to the strength and prosperity of a nation. I have to wonder if some of you "anti-exceptionals" have been brainwashed in some way to think that it is somehow wrong to show pride for any person's or group's accomplishments that we identify with. The desire for identity is a human trait. The desire to identity with and belong to a group is not just human nature, but occurs in other animal kingdoms as well.
Jason, I'm not missing the point. I simply see this through a slightly different perspective. Although we have committed injustices, we have had to answer for them. We have grown as a people, perpetually struggling to better ourselves and our nation. It is a bit unfair to say that our mistakes behold us to a lower level of accomplishment. America is a fairly young nation compared to most in the world; considering the young age of America, look at how influential we are in the world today. We resolve our differences through dialog and debate; older nations such as some in the southwest of Asia and the Middle East resolve their differences through violence and force. While we struggle every to overcome our own self-imposed adversity, other countries continue down their centuries old paths of internal destruction.
Jason, I'm not missing the point. I simply see this through a slightly different perspective. Although we have committed injustices, we have had to answer for them. We have grown as a people, perpetually struggling to better ourselves and our nation. It is a bit unfair to say that our mistakes behold us to a lower level of accomplishment. America is a fairly young nation compared to most in the world; considering the young age of America, look at how influential we are in the world today. We resolve our differences through dialog and debate; older nations such as some in the southwest of Asia and the Middle East resolve their differences through violence and force. While we struggle every to overcome our own self-imposed adversity, other countries continue down their centuries old paths of internal destruction.
Jason, I'm not missing the point. I simply see this through a slightly different perspective. Although we have committed injustices, we have had to answer for them. We have grown as a people, perpetually struggling to better ourselves and our nation. It is a bit unfair to say that our mistakes behold us to a lower level of accomplishment. America is a fairly young nation compared to most in the world; considering the young age of America, look at how influential we are in the world today. We resolve our differences through dialog and debate; older nations such as some in the southwest of Asia and the Middle East resolve their differences through violence and force. While we struggle every to overcome our own self-imposed adversity, other countries continue down their centuries old paths of internal destruction.
As for your wholly ridiculous argument that we resolve our differences through dialog and debate while other countries resolve them through violence and force, you would do well to read up on some recent history of un-provoked war and the toppling of democratically elected governments for the purpose of setting up a dictator who benefited us financially.
[M]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=54dNHUefbCs[/M]Lostsoul and most of this board's regulars and moderators. said:A bunch of backwater crap that amounts to this...
Funny, this is generally the depth of the right-wing's argument against virtually any government program.Ah, the old "one crooked tree makes the forest worthless" syndrome.
How do I know I would be interested in this person's perspective? How do I know it isn't tainted? How do I know the book is unbiased?
If he wants to venture beyond city council, he/she is not going far without vast personal wealth or corporate sponsorship. Just ask Meg Whitman! LOL! (Who, BTW, I’m related to).Really, even the guy running for city council? I had no idea.
I bet if they were Union logos you’d have no trouble seeing them.Yeah, I see corporate logos on our SC justices' robes alright.
No. We have a puppet for public PR.I'm going to nitpick. #6 is out. We elect ALL of our leaders. Denmark has a monarch as its head of state.
Actually, this is my bad for not keeping up with the conversation. You're right, American Exceptionalism is a farce. I have yet to hear anyone outside of political or corporate commentary use the term. But I do think we are at many times judged by a different set of standards by ourselves and the rest of the world. If we were not exceptional to some degree, then why would we be judged this way?No, you're still missing the point. The point is: we aren't any different. Every country has committed errors and has had triumphs and we are simply one of them. The idea of American Exceptionalism is that we are so different that the same rules do not apply. Our mistakes don't lower our accomplishment, but they are mistakes. We are no different (any more than all countries are, obviously, different). This is a great country, but it isn't special in a way that demands special rules, special allowances or reprieves for error--we are no more special or blessed or righteous than France or Germany or Norway or whatever.
I'm hurt that you said my argument was ridiculous. I was talking about internal differences. Well, there was that pesky Civil War thingy, but there are exceptions to every rule.As for your wholly ridiculous argument that we resolve our differences through dialog and debate while other countries resolve them through violence and force, you would do well to read up on some recent history of un-provoked war and the toppling of democratically elected governments for the purpose of setting up a dictator who benefited us financially.
I did not say we are alone in being a step above most of the world in many regards.I love my country more than my life, but to believe that we alone are exceptional and that our reasons are somehow better or more justifiable or whatever is completely irrational delusion.
Wrong. It comes from comparing America's accomplishments to her failings, and concluding that the former outweighs the latter. You have the right to an opposing opinion, but I will maintain my position.Tell that to the native americans, african americans, latino americans, the people of iraq and afganistan, gays, the irish, union works, etc etc etc the lines of victims can stretch on for days those are just the ones that came immediately to mind. You can't be so gleefully ignorant of American history to really believe this
......or are you really suggesting we all pretend our history was columbus -> native americans love us -> james town-> independance -> civil war -> native americans and mexicans give us alot of land because they like us -> ww1 -> ww2 -> civil rights everything is ok now all is forgiven what do you mean americans did bad things?
Seems you have no idea why we went into Iraq.You mean the same kind of dialog we had with Iraq? A country that had nothing to do with 9/11? Seems you have been sipping the Kool-Aid again.
Actually, the Bible never lists any sin as deadly. Sin is sin.Also, pride is one of the 7 deadly sins. I know right wing people don't really read The Bible, it's just a soapbox to stand on for them.
Is the queen elected by the people? Does this "acceptance" have any political bearing or is it merely symbolic in nature?No. We have a puppet for public PR.
The ONLY thing our Queen actually does, politically, is 'accept' any new prime minister into office.
Try again.
More like throwing the baby out with the bathwater.Funny, this is generally the depth of the right-wing's argument against virtually any government program.
What if I just don't want to?By reading it?
True, but it still does not preclude a person from running for or being elected into office based upon his "birthright".If he wants to venture beyond city council, he/she is not going far without vast personal wealth or corporate sponsorship. Just ask Meg Whitman! LOL! (Who, BTW, I’m related to).
Wut?I bet if they were Union logos you’d have no trouble seeing them.