The Obama war against Fox News
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yea, and you're in denial. the proof is out there and there's been links posted. i'll post them again, but it would probably be a waste of time
and you call that a "serious talk" ?
jesus.
you guys are delusional in your defeat.
lol, what?
denial of what?
that he used to be the member of a Marxist club?
big deal, he was a kid fresh out of college and full of ideas. it's not the most radical thing I've ever heard.
it's not like he's still a member, the group no longer exists. and it was just idealism anyhow, they never blew up any office buildings.
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notice how everyone, on the "right", that's posted in this thread (except possibly twd's post) are just attacks and with little or no thoughtful arguments.
So you agree the government should tell ISP's/websites what to do? So I was right. Good to know. Not that there was any doubt, but still.
Do you believe the people you surround yourself with tell something about you? I mean if everyone around you believes a certain way and its been proven you at least used to think that way is it is unreasonable to think you still do? Afterall that is what Kiff's argument is all about. Its not like there is just one Marxist, Communist or anything there is a whole line of them and the more time that goes on the more that line up appointed by Obama himself. How many do you need for a pattern to begin and connection to be made?
And should the fact that Obama actually looked for Marxist professors outside of college be also taken into account? Just curious. I'm assuming you think that any believes you have when you are young shouldn't be taken into account though. Honestly though, has he shown you enough to give you such a believe or are you just believing in him with just faith?
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ffs Larkin, you literally are the worst poster on this forum, bar none.
Groups like Media Matters and Focus on the Family always calling for draconian censorship on anything they don't like? Both conservative watchdog groups. Please do some goddamn research before you open your butthole and make another post in this thread. Thanks. Liberals have supported free speech and free flow of information since the beginning. Get your facts straight.
Groups like Media Matters and Focus on the Family always calling for draconian censorship on anything they don't like? Both conservative watchdog groups. Please do some goddamn research before you open your butthole and make another post in this thread. Thanks. Liberals have supported free speech and free flow of information since the beginning. Get your facts straight.
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All our wonderful censor organizations like the FCC, ESRB, Comics Code authority, were founded by conservative interest groups. Yet its the left that wants more control over exchange of information...right you keep believing that.
Obviously, we've got some people like Hilary Clinton, but for the most part the right is the party always pushing for control over media and information.
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The FCC was created by the Communications Act of 1934. It was never a interest group. It was always a part of the government since its founding. FDR signed it into law. Sorry.
The ESRB was founded by the Interactive Digital Software Association in 1994. (no government involvement when founded). No special interest group founded the ESRB. Pressure was however present at the time.
Comics Code Authority was founded in 1948 to regulate comics content. Self regulated and founded by people of the comic industry. (no government involvement) No special interest group founded the Comics Code Authority. Pressure was present at the time for something to be done. Half of it founders were actually for violence with one wanting to create something that would never actually be made due to the code.
Would you like to provide different groups?
Btw, the presidents were at the time of the founding of these groups:
FDR- liberal
Thurman- liberal
Clinton- liberal
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IIRC net neutrality is more on the ISP end and based more on what packets they can or can't filter and prioritization of said packets. A paid site can still restrict access to content so it's subscribers only.
Of the groups listed, I think the Comics Code Authority is the closest one to censorship. The FCC does fine stations if they air certain content, but that wasn't their primary focus when they were created IIRC - and they certainly do other things besides listening to complaints about bad words. The ESRB ratings system doesn't censor anything - it just states what content is in a game and then recommends how old person should be to view that content. AO rated games not getting shelf space is a retailer issue - not an ESRB one. Australia on the other hand...
To get back on topic, has President Obama consulted Congress about issuing a declaration of war? Personally, I'm rather curious about having an air strike on a news building, but that's just me.
jackass says what?
sure.
it tells something about you.
it doesn't define you.
you're forgetting the oldest saying in the book: politics makes for strange bedfellows. every politician dabbles with associations which may be considered suspect by some other group. right now, it just so happens that Republicans/Conservatives/Righties think that anything which hints at socialism is pure evil and must never see the light of day.
this represents a terrible ignorance on their part, both of the actual meaning of socialism and that there is inherently anything scary about it. it is merely another form of governing which has been and is currently still put to good use by numerous nations around the world, even those who are democratic and free market.
the Federal government of the United States already utilizes socialist programs, did you forget?
and just because someone reads or studies the Marxist approach to economics, this doesn't mean they will want to stage a violent revolution or turn the States over to a communist dictatorship.
why do you think Marx is still a benchmark for political, economic, historical, and philosophic study the world over?
he's right there alongside the likes of Plato, Machiavelli, Locke, Rousseau, etc. it's not because what he said has always been considered bad or scary or dangerous.
but there are a lot of people in this country who are still trapped in the fear-tactics regarding the actual implications of socialism. these tactics have been most heavily pushed by conservative groups and agendas.
most people who study Marxism with an open mind come away to at least appreciate what Marx was trying to do for the common working man. he was fighting for you, for everyone who doesn't own anything more in their life than their own sweat and labor. for everyone who doesn't see a fair share of the profits accrued from their labor, while instead it generates incredible shares for the few at the top who contribute the least.
not to mention the wealth it creates for the financial peddlers (Wall Street, banks) who contribute nothing but are allowed to gamble on it.
ok see, you have gone and used several words like "proven" and "certain" which immediately weaken your argument.
first of all, no one can be "certain" of what anyone else believes.
only you are certain of what you believe, unless of course you're a schizophrenic.
someone can claim that they believe in a particular school of though or theory, but it doesn't necessarily mean they support every aspect of it, nor absolutely.
I could say I'm a Marxist.
because I really believe that at the core of what he was saying was a profound and undeniable truth about the deep seated problems with capitlism. organized oppression, inequality, what have you.
I could also say I'm a Capitalist.
because I also really believe that capitalism can be sustainable and maintain a legitimate means of production through preserving private property without utlizing practices which suppress human freedom.
it means I'd like to try and find a balance.
people can believe in more than one thing. a well-rounded person should aim for having several different ways to think about problem solving and defining their beliefs. a person who defines their beliefs too narrowly is far more scary to me.
also, a person can believe in something that you might consider extreme without being extremists themselves.
if someone thinks a certain way when they are young it doesn't have to say anything about the beliefs they might hold when they are older. especially when pursuing a national political career.
which is why he is just as wrong as you.
see?
here you go again, jumping and bounding across gaps of logic without a clue.
you think there's a "whole line" of "communists" being hired by Obama.
define "whole line" for me please.
do you realize how many cabinet positions there are today in the executive office of this country?
don't answer that.
how many "communists" do you think he's hired compared to the number of positions available?
don't answer that either.
it's irrelevant because you grossly misuse the word "communist" every time you relate it to Obama or someone in his administration.
what could you possibly mean by that, when you call them communists?
you think they want to turn the country into Russia right under our noses in the next 3 years?
that brings us to the second major fallacy you committ in this silly thing you call an argument.
there's no "connection" to be made or "pattern" going on here.
how the hell do you get from, guy-with-some-socialsist-ideas to, full-blown-communist-regime-takeover?
it doesn't make sense.
BECAUSE YOUNG PEOPLE ARE IDEALISTIC.
they are figuring out who they want to be in this life.
especially young people who ATTEND COLLEGE.
they are exposed to a variety of concepts about the world which open their eyes to a lot of things they may have never before realized. they often like to seek out further information about those subjects which intrigue them.
I read about a lot of things that I don't necessarily agree with completely or take to heart. but I can still appreciate or agree with parts of it or the inspiring ideas behind it.
and again, just because he was interested in some Marxism doesn't make it bad. just because you have an irrational fear of that word doesn't make you right to be so critical of him for it.
I don't believe anything about the president that he doesn't show me with his words or his actions. if he says something, we'll find out if he follows through and then we'll know. same as when he doesn't say or do something.
his lack of action is just as important.
I already have disagreed with several things he's done in this first year.
there are other things he's done which I commend him for.
I don't take anything on faith, I judge people by what reality provides me.
which is NOT what you are doing.
the socialist/communist/Marxist arguments used against Obama are largely sesnational and illogical. nothing you can say changes that until you accept it and find something reasonable to challenge him on.
like the budget or something.
not this name-calling bullsh*t.
this is why other countries laugh at us.
Lizard Of Oz
Demented Avenger
"Net Neutrality" will prevent telephone & cable companies from charging you extra to access "premium" websites like Foxnews.com, Glennbeck.com, etc...
"Net Neutrality" prevents telephone & cable companies from restricting your access to information on the Internet.
"Net Neutrality" prevents telephone & cable companies from blocking your access to a rival telephone or cable companies network.
"Net Neutrality" prevents telephone & cable companies from deciding which FTP, P2P, Web Browser, Email Client, etc... you may or may not use.
"Net Neutrality" prevents telephone & cable companies from deciding which on-line multi-player games you may play and with whom you may play them.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Network_neutrality
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